Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Lalendra]

Iconeum is the cop.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Lalendra

ITT: Eddie falls for a obvious frame up kill and thinks Lovebird was a counterwagon to scum Lalendra

[Lalendra]

Math: There was no red flip, can you explain?
Eddie: Any reason for that vote?

p-edit: Makes sense

[Eddie Cane]

dinkle, is Janitor a role guilty or just a he's scum i'm sure "guilty"

[Eddie Cane]

@mod; if a player sent in two roles, such as Cop/1-shot Redirector, without choosing one of the roles in that slot, what would you do?

Mod: Force them to choose one role.

because my vote is a mechanical guilty

[Mathdino]

Cool you two can live another night as long as we lynch the janitor

Edit: Eddie was like doh there will probably be a red flip by d2 so nothing matters

Fucking told you lovebird was town

[Eddie Cane]

I messaged the mod requesting to be either role cop or universal backup, thinking that the mod was supposed to choose which of those roles you receive. I received the role cop.

[Eddie Cane]

Mod: Force them to choose one role.

[Mathdino]

Wait lol the mod only answering that inline changed the game

[Eddie Cane]

if a mod always answers inline they can't just change it for an important question that would be mod influence

rereading during the night helps folks!

[Mathdino]

The situations in which scum lie are so few that I'm actually more confident on janitor right now
Plus it clears me so I can request doc protection tonight

Edit: this is why I don't support inline answers when the mod isn't present literally all the time

[Mathdino]

Like I guess I don't actually mind having confirmed scum around? We don't have a tracker so I guess I don't see how it hurts
More rolecop info I guess
Sell me otherwise but I think janitor gives us more info

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Janitor

[Ausuka]

I'm alive????

[Mathdino]

HEY JANITOR IS EVEN SCUM WITH LALENDRA

Lalendra flaking out is not correlated with her alignment guys

Feels good to say I agree with you

Hops on my soft-defence train.

Anyway I'd agree with whoever mentioned that Ircher is more active and open than Lalendra at this point. I feel that even if Ircher is scumread then maybe having an active played on d2 can be helpful?

Still no fan of Lovebird...

After not mentioning Lalendra the entire day outside of soft-defending her, she namedrops Lal as scummy (token sheeping) but pivots to Lovebird.

Look at Lovebird vs Lalendra. Love is easily more scummy then Lalendra. I know you have trouble pushing other birds, but put that aside for now.
We can make a deal. Help me push Love now, and if by the end of the day nothing comes of it we re-evaluate Lalendra (more content)

I'm no big fan of either but I slightly agree, at least Lal has had some longer posts right now. But as I said I'm not feeling either.

Shouldn't have to sell this post as scum. Janitor not voting all day is horrific. Not feeling either, great, but 0 effort to actually find anyone else.
And sheeping soft-defence of Lalendra...

Lal's wall posts on page 44 seem IIoA to me which meh

despite attacking Lalendra in the same post. Has no clear read here.

I mean that mislynchable self thing is a wet dream for scum to have in a signature. Obviously Lalendra isn't scum because of it but scum would love to fall back on that.

SHE PLAYS IN A WAY THAT HELPS SCUM, BUT SHE MIGHT NOT BE SCUM, BUT IF SHE

WERE

SCUM IT WOULD HELP

My reads are duck, Taly, SIMYK, mutant town and lalendra and lovebird I find scummy. Have concerns with Dino that I voiced. Ircher is also wacky but lovebird and LAL are less active atm. Ausuka light suspicion

Again, suspicious of Lalendra/Lovebird but utterly non participatory. Doesn't want to be caught on the counterwagon, doesn't want to bus. This player doesn't like playing scum.

i generally agree with the sentiment that "if lalendra is scum, y'all got lucky"

she happens to be in the PoE pool

and keep in mind she's going to be an important mislynch candidate for scum if she's town

Wouldn't that be a good thing if she's lynched d1 after all? Sure lynching town is bad but but she's not too active and scum can't push as easily later if she's town?

i honestly don't know what the fuck this is
if she thought it was a good idea to lynch lalendra d1

she would have fucking voted lalendra d1

why would scum bus their most powerful PR?

For massive towncred (by your own reasoning among others) if they have 1 or 2 more powerroles in the team. If they do not have those rules it;s probably fair to assume that scum wouldn't want to bus Lalendra.

this is a nothing post essentially

Janitor

, if you scumlean both

Lalendra

and

Lovebird

, what is your points behind them being scum and who would put a vote on at the moment?

It's ye olde quality vs quantity debate! Lovebird has more posts but Lalendra has like, longer posts... I think both aren't being protown, at the moment. Fact is that Lalendra's odds of being PR are like 75% while its near 0 for Bird. If we gotta lynch and possibly mislynch within these 2, would it be better to get Lovebird?

Fencesitting.

I don't normally consider fencesitting a scumtell, because most townies actually have a clear progression for their confusion. Janitor has called them scummy all day and randomly poked her head into discussions asking "hmmmm it MIGHT be a good idea to lynch lal, but then again lovebird..."
every goddamn time
There's no progression here. She has no actual stance on the two players.

Aren't there other people to vig? Lalendra has at least had some effort posting.

and yeah this is damning

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Janitor

i will accept that this is a literal scumclaim

i would like to sic the n3 vig on lalendra actually

[Ausuka]

I'm pretty willing to lynch Jan but I think it's strictly suboptimal to keep Lal “close to conftown“ endra alive with a potential tracker or watcher in the game.

[Mathdino]

Iconeum 1 - Cop
the worst 3 - Jailkeeper
Lalendra 5 - Mafia Role Cop
Ircher 11 -
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 413 -
Mathdino 2 -
The Janitor 2 -
Beefster 4 - VT
Taly 4
Almost50 8 - VT, Neighborizer/Fruit Vendor
mutantdevle 8
Ausuka 6 - VT, Neighborizer/Fruit Vendor
Lovebird 6 - VT
brassherald 6

Cleaned up.

It's extremely unlikely that Ausuka is scum with Eddie Cane, davesaz, or the real Neighborizer.

Lalendra flipping scum means Eddie Cane was likely not scum hard-defending mutant, making mutant essentially conftown by meta-read.

This also means we can likely trust Iconeum's result (even if we can't trust his alignment), which is nice.

[Ausuka]

I don't think I should be considered likely scum with anyone rn

[Mathdino]

I'm pretty willing to lynch Jan but I think it's strictly suboptimal to keep Lal “close to conftown“ endra alive with a potential tracker or watcher in the game.

She was close to conftown if the mod didn't claim scum for her. My assumption was that scum wouldn't be idiotic enough to lie about where they got their role. Lalendra not good scum.

Like it was basically "Lalendra is conftown" or "Lalendra is confscum" and Occam's Razor said conftown, lol. Still annoyed at the inline response because that almost for sure went into the vig kill. Unless the vig is scum using it as an excuse but w/e

Tracker/Jailkeeper is dead. We're basically banking on the 1-shot Watcher getting a guilty at this point. I think the information from lynching The Janitor (and clearing myself) outweighs the EV of that slim chance of Watcher catching scum.

[Mathdino]

The Janitor - I don't hate their posting but I'm having trouble determining whether it's a playstyle thing or actual scumminess.

the only substantial mention of the janitor in lalendra's entire ISO

also lowkey think this conftowns ircher by association with lalendra? someone help double check that

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Math-sensei what is the LOGIC in keeping confirmed scum alive? That cost TOWN the game in 675, I am in concurrence with Ausuka-chan that it HARMS any watcher results if we have any (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

ALSO, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD I believe that the 1-shot vigilante is aligned with the MALIGNANTLY MALICIOUS MAFIA with that kill! （＊〇□〇）……！

VOTE: Lalendra

[Ausuka]

We could vig Lal and have watcher save their action? idk. Maybe we lynch Jan then massclaim?

[Mathdino]

Town:
Mathdino - His play is a little different than what I am used to here, but I think it's largely due to him not being super confident on who's scum. Usually he picks someone and runs them over like a truck, and while he's not doing that here, it still strikes me as town!Math.
Mutantdevle - Feeling pretty confident in town!Mutant here, largely because I agree with his reasoning and like the way he is presenting his thoughts. Seems like he's actively trying to gamesolve.
Simyk - I don't have any meta experience with Simyk, but they seem invested in gamesolving, are trying to advance the gamestate, and their tone is very towny.

Townlean:
davesaz - I wasn't sure how I felt about A50 but davesaz has moved this slot from null to townlean for me. Not as confident as I am with the townbloc above, but good vibes.
Eddie Cane - Again, not confident enough to say town for certain, but good vibes.
Myloninja13 - There really hasn't been enough from this slot to say for certain, but I'm feeling town.
Iconeum - I like what I've seen from them but need to see more active participation.
Taly - This seems like town!Taly from my meta experience.

Null:
the worst - Honestly not sure about this slot, I want to say town but feel like I can't make an unbiased opinion. Their tunneling of me could be town-motivated but I'm not crazy about the reasoning behind it; then again, I could just be mad they're tunneling me. I can't be impartial enough to figure it out yet.
The Janitor - I don't hate their posting but I'm having trouble determining whether it's a playstyle thing or actual scumminess.
Lovebird - I can't make sense of this slot either way.

Scumlean:
Ausuka - Nothing I've seen from Ausuka has struck me as particularly towny, especially the waffling/soft defense of Ircher and the defensiveness in their tone.

Scum:
Ircher - For the reasons I outlined in my last few posts.

Unless you think Lalendra townreads both scumbuddies and comes up with good enough reasoning to do so, this confirms scum in {Janitor, Ausuka, Ircher}. Probably not Ircher. Lalendra's ISO is almost 80% "GUYS HERE IS MY IRCHER CASE FOR THE 50TH TIME".

Not sure about 3rd partner.

Edit: I agree with that plan. Means Lalendra stays alive until N3 though.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

I relay do not understand why keeping Lalendra alive benefits town (҂⌣̀_⌣́)