Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[yessiree]

VC 2.2

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Janitor (4) -

Mathdino, Ausuka, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Lalendra

Lalendra (2) -

Eddie Cane, The Janitor

Not voting

- Taly, davesaz, Iconeum, Ircher, mutantdevle

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-05-29 09:00:00)

[Mathdino]

That potentially confirms Eddie as town.

Eddie, I'm looking at 3 scum in {Iconeum, Lalendra, Ircher, Janitor}. Sometimes I have little side thoughts for one of them like "hmmm maybe this one could be town after all" but that just makes me want to lynch the other 3.

So in the case that I'm wrong, who's the deepwolf?

[Ircher]

You or SIMYK most likely.

[Mathdino]

dude i literally can't be scum with janitor so that's really not the point

do you have any input other than answering questions not directed at you

[Ircher]

Right now, not really.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Mutant

[Mathdino]

holy scumclaim batman

can it really be as simple as ircher/lalendra/janitor

[Ircher]

Fyi, I'm not against a Janitor lynch. I just think that Mutant has been more or less useless all game despite having nearly as many posts as me.

[Ircher]

Your post reminds me of this (though I was actually scum that game...)

can it really just be as simple as MMM and ircher

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Mutant

Invalid vote. Try again.

[Eddie Cane]

And realistically, no, I don't have 100% confidence in the Mutant read. I wish he was around more. But that is probably the last slot I vote today except SIMYK and maybe Taly.

[Eddie Cane]

{Mutant, Saske, Taly}
-
{Lalendra}

Ausuka
davesaz
The Janitor
Iconeum
Ircher
Mathdino

so the other 2 scum are in here. 1 is probably Janitor or Dino for his godawful Lalendra associatives. I would guess the former. Iconeum should plow through this list quickly, so if she's scum she's kinda boned. Ausuka is meh, I want to see his history with accurately reading Ircher because if it exists then Ircher is just town due to never being an Ausuka partner. Dave needs to stop being a useless lurkfuck. NAI for him, just annoying. Lets see BTM Dave, not educated lively experienced Dave please. There's 11 alive and a cop at the least. If cops town, lynch today flips a townie and cop flips a townie, and tomorrow we start with 9. Then 7. Then 5p LyLo if we haven't found the second scum by then. So, we can flip 6 more people

before

lylo, and there's only 6 besides the cop in the PoE (including Lalendra because we do need to flip them) (not including myself but add me if you want lol). There's also hopefully at least 2 of Watcher, Doc, Vig town aligned, so yea. Basically autowin. If cops scum its more complicated mechanically but there are other PRs. I think this game is a town win pretty solidly.

[Mathdino]

i just realised it's actually anti-scum in this setup to try to go for the #1 spot for the cop

fucks you over if you have to keep publishing results

much better to pull the doc/roleblocker and just kill the cop straight up

[Eddie Cane]

i dont even understand what the above post means

[Taly]

FUCK OH MY GOD.

[Taly]

I SPENT OVER AN HOUR WRITING I POST.

I FORGOT TO SAVE IT IN NOTES.

MY COMPUTER FROZE.

ITS ALL GONE.

[davesaz]

Sorry for your loss. Happened to me writing a linguistics paper, the weekend before it was due, on a Saturday afternoon I was supposed to be going on a date.
My fiance (now wife) was not pleased. The rewrite still got an A, so back to the keyboard plz.

Protip: smaller posts.

[Taly]

Here is a minimized draft of what I was actually going to post...

I'm unhappy about being wrong over

Lovebird

.

The numbers of

Ausuka's

flashwagon near the end of D1 strike me as town-motivated due to the consolidation, pressure for deadline, and sync with the reads. I'm going to look at individual votes later when I don't want to choke someone.

I doubt the vig being scum because otherwise the

Mylo and TW

kill would have no voting or wagon connection to my understanding.

Analyzing

TW's

pre-death reads points to

Lalendra and

Lovebird

as him being correct in his reads; but one is flipped town.
Analyzing

Mylo's

pre-death reads points to

Ausuka and Janitor

as potential scum, but I'm not sure of either of them being scum, and my townread on

Ausuka

still remains...

Mylo

was also borderline useless so I wouldn't be surprised that town shot them as opposed to

TW

literally being townblocc'ed.

I think it's very possible

Lalendra

is a member of the scumteam.

In the same breath, I think

Lalendra and Lovebird

had both town and scum on the wagons, especially due to the deflating and inflating of

Lalendra's

wagon throughout a lot of D1.

Lalendra

, why did you out

Iconeum

-cop?

Let's assume you're truthful in that you're a Role Cop and you got a Cop result on him:

1)

You let that knowledge be known to the scumteam.

2)

A cop could've been utilized with their actions through discussion on who should be looked at, outside of that knowledge being public.

If you believed Iconeum was a Town Cop

; why didn't you defend him or back him in his potential claim if he were pushed to L-1? You could've confirmed his claim or outed a potential lie. This could've been avoided.

If you believed Iconeum was a Scum Cop trying to conftown himself

; why isn't your vote there? You didn't state any type of read or assessment over your results with

Iconeum

, which strikes me as disingenuous.

VOTE: Lalendra

1)

Very likely to be in a scumteam that NKed

TW

based on him being townread AND having accurate reads.

2)

I think their claim is truthful, but I think they're more likely Mafia as Role Cop, I'd also argue that a Universal Backup is less likely to be chosen as scum because it could contain roles that serve little to no use as Mafia.

3)

Votes for the popular wagon aside from themselves: 1435 - 1784 - 1912

4)

Wagon had lots of attention, deflated and inflated a lot throughout D1 with little clarity revolving around it.

~~~

Math

, why is

Janitor

a better flip to see than

Lalendra

?

SIMYK

, why do you think the vig is likely to be Mafia?

Ircher

, why the

Mutant

vote...?

Mutant

, and you are?

~~~

My VLA starts tomorrow, I'm going out of town around 7 AM my Central time.

Going to reread Mutant, Janitor, davesaz, and Iconeum

[Eddie Cane]

i mean i'm not going to break it apart because lalendra's confirmed scum but speaking of lalendra being confirmed scum lalendra's confirmed scum... you don't need to give a bunch of shit points to argue it

[Mathdino]

Half your post heavily implies you're not reading the thread

I literally asked lalendra to produce results on Iconeum publicly

She's scum, yeah, but that's a useless avenue to explore

[Ircher]

You answered "why a Mutant vote" right in your post. Look right below where you asked the question.

Pedit: This is @Taly

Also, I still think lynching confirmed scum

may

generally be the better move? But I don't disagree with a Janitor lynch simply due to the info it gives and the fact that the case is there to some extent or another.

[Mathdino]

2) I think their claim is truthful, but I think they're more likely Mafia as Role Cop, I'd also argue that a Universal Backup is less likely to be chosen as scum because it could contain roles that serve little to no use as Mafia.

Also this is empirically incorrect

And also mechanically incorrect

Honestly you're wasting your time casing confscum with 90% literally wrong points

[Taly]

Why would you ask for that

Math

, and where did you ask?

I've skimmed and read the past few pages twice.

And even so,

Lalendra

is a confident scumread I have based on other points.

Also, I always outline my reasons because they not only help me organize my thoughts, they promote good content to respond with, AND let me know if I've overlooked something... which is apparent.

You answered "why a Mutant vote" right in your post. Look right below where you asked the question.

Pedit: This is @Taly

Also, I still think lynching confirmed scum

may

generally be the better move? But I don't disagree with a Janitor lynch simply due to the info it gives and the fact that the case is there to some extent or another.

So

Mutant

is confirmed scum solely based off not really being present or providing an opinion? What do you think about

Lalendra

, then?

2) I think their claim is truthful, but I think they're more likely Mafia as Role Cop, I'd also argue that a Universal Backup is less likely to be chosen as scum because it could contain roles that serve little to no use as Mafia.

Also this is empirically incorrect

And also mechanically incorrect

Honestly you're wasting your time casing confscum with 90% literally wrong points

OK honestly, explain this to me like I'm dumb, because I genuinely think I'm missing info.

And if

Lalendra

is confscum to you, why is your vote on

Janitor

?

[Eddie Cane]

conclusion: posting in

bold

does not equate to actually putting the effort into

reading the thread

[Mathdino]

Yeah this is getting annoying
I don't want to rehash conversations we've already had