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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:26 pm

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In post 1646, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1641, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Actually yeah, why did Vent die with the body swap if keeping it would let them keep swapping stuff.
because they did what they wanted, they gave their strongest scum player a godfather and told people to cop them.

they don't need to keep switching stuff around and giving anything else to town means losing actual usable powers.
Like the scum miller wilky? :lol:
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:26 pm

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In post 1640, MariaR wrote:
In post 1630, Impossibear wrote:
In post 1469, Impossibear wrote:Ramcius wagon (Actual Votes For Quest)
Wilky, Ramcius, Impossibear, Dunstrall, Project Matt, Kokichi Oma,

Still needs Jungle, Ouroborous
Updated. Please, dear god, let this have been handled by the time I get back to the thread tomorrow, so we can stop fucking arguing about it.

Maria, DO NOT VOTE Ramsius.
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Because the last two need to be Jungle and RC. Jungle because if he's lying, he's a sunk ship anyway and has no reason not to quickhammer. RC because he just claimed he'd quickhammer.
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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:26 pm

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In post 1645, Ankamius wrote:Btw I'm also assuming that scum either has innate daytalk or an encryptor because that role kind of necessitates it.
Did I ever get an answer for that question on D1??

@Mod - Do scum have day talk?


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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 1647, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
In post 1643, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1638, Ankamius wrote:um

Why did they allow Ventriloquist to die wiith it then?
because the roles have already been dealt out..
You just saw that the ability can be kept using, so he could've swapped the role into someone else before dying.
Specially if they have a godfather i'd assume they'd want to keep that around to be switched at a momment's notice.
Why would they want to, you have one person that is your scum liable to bait cops why do you need to keep changing it around


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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 1650, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Like the scum miller wilky?
He even said that it was a miller with other usable powers so...?
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:28 pm

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Actually wilky claiming Miller and the confirmed presence of a body swapper makes both millers like super town.
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:28 pm

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In post 1649, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1643, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1638, Ankamius wrote:um

Why did they allow Ventriloquist to die wiith it then?
because the roles have already been dealt out..
Do you think scum has a full list of high priority roles or what?
Yes, actually. I made a theory post about it like 10 pages ago when someone asked me about my balancing philosophy.
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:28 pm

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In post 1655, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Actually wilky claiming Miller and the confirmed presence of a body swapper makes both millers like super town.
If the miller was a fakeclaim why does it even matter presumably the role isn't even an actual miller at this point gosh x_x
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:29 pm

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Jingle can you requote it for me?
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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 1653, Ouroboros wrote:Why would they want to, you have one person that is your scum liable to bait cops why do you need to keep changing it around
You know better. If you have a godfather inno, and then a different player flips godfather, you've won the game. No town will lynch a cop clear with 2 miller claims and a flipped godfather.
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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 1657, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1655, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Actually wilky claiming Miller and the confirmed presence of a body swapper makes both millers like super town.
If the miller was a fakeclaim why does it even matter presumably the role isn't even an actual miller at this point gosh x_x
why would a miller be a fake claim when there's another miller claim (Dave)
It makes no sense.
Why would you claim miller if you arent one when there's another miller claim (Dave), much less if you dont know if a rolecop exists.
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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 1464, Impossibear wrote:
In post 1428, Alchemist21 wrote:How do the Miller claims line up with Kaede's and RMOJ's roles here based on this mod philosophy? 2 millers which could be cleared on mod Meta (and at least one on flavor) plus an IC plus a role that makes a second IC (and confirms itself with it) seems like a lot in my opinion for an 18-p game.
Spoiler: Philosophy, as it pertains to balance in this game:
Roles that are confirmed to exist:

IC- Unlynchable
Jungle's Conditional Hidden JOAT- Unlynchable and has to claim to have any use.
Scum Loyal Roleswapper- Useable to put the strongest scumrole in the strongest scum's hands.

Roles Claimed to Exist:

Miller x2- Negative utility
Non Weak Hider
BP Gated Vig- Unlynchable and Unkillable.

Roles That Exist By Thread/Role Information:

Town Protective- Missing kill N1 while I was an objectively terrible shot and Tchill was a never in 1000 years shot means that Kaede was likely nightkilled and protected. Not unlynchable at all given my Role PM.
2-3 Other Scum Power Roles- There is no utility to the Roleswapper unless scum has useful PR's. Probably one for each member of the scumteam. My guess is an investigative to help find the vig/IC (rolecop?) and something to fuck with Jungle and us (1-shot strongman (full strongman doesn't make sense)/Rolestopper/Roleblocker, etc.).

From this point of view, town is actually underpowered. I'd expect one or two weak Power roles, something along the lines of a tracker (Not likely to give innos or guilties, but not something scum can straight up ignore either) OR the rest of Jungle's JOAT abilities to be remarkably powerful. Flavorwise, it's probably the former, as Garvey's quests are apparently a meme about how annoying and useless they are.

The possible guilties/innos match up (1 guilty 3 unlynchables or 4 unlynchables against a 4 person scumteam is more than fair to scum). If the town decides to treat the millers as additional IC's that's on them and isn't worth balancing around.

On the flavor side of things, our flavor is pretty obviously a powerrole. I'd bet any other flavors that are 'clearing' would be obvious too, therefore a flavor massclaim wouldn't actually be that helpful. I disagree with ETL that wilky's flavor makes him autotown, hence his position in the lynchable pool of my reads. I just specifically don't want to lynch him today.


Hey, projectmatt, vote Ramcius. It's not about lynching him or his alignment, but is crazy protown.

Also, Jungle, Kokichi and Maria need to do the same.
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 1637, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1631, Ouroboros wrote:@Mod - Can you clarify what yo mean by 'day'?
The role can swap whenever they want, as long as the role is alive.
The moment you comprehend the full meaning of something is a great moment.

@Mod - If Vent did switch his role before the flip, would the role card reflect his new role or remain with the old one?


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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:31 pm

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SCUM WERE ABLE TO MAKE ONE PERSON OF THEIR CHOOSING A GODFATHER AND THERE WAS AN OBVIOUS CHOICE ON THE SCUMTEAM FOR COP CHECKS.


well it seems like we have the godfather inno coming up anyway.
why would a miller be a fake claim when there's another miller claim (Dave)
It makes no sense.
Why would you claim miller if you arent one when there's another miller claim (Dave), much less if you dont know if a rolecop exists.
ITS GIF FOR GODS SAKE WHY WOULD HE NOT MAKE A MILLER FAKECLAIM HNNHGH
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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:31 pm

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In post 1662, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1637, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1631, Ouroboros wrote:@Mod - Can you clarify what yo mean by 'day'?
The role can swap whenever they want, as long as the role is alive.
The moment you comprehend the full meaning of something is a great moment.

@Mod - If Vent did switch his role before the flip, would the role card reflect his new role or remain with the old one?


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Append to this after the votes reached lynch treshold but before the flip, i.e, during twilight.
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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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In post 1655, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Actually wilky claiming Miller and the confirmed presence of a body swapper makes both millers like super town.
Explain this to me. I don't get it.

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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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And that is such a niche usage of the role, if scum had other powers they needed more like strongmans and shit then fuck yes they would give up the swapper tool.

they didn't expect this interpretation. we didn't even find out scum distributed their roles until now.
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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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why am I not voting ram
I bet Maria is scum this game
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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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You don't get it because it doesn't make sense Anony :P
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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:32 pm

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It is clear to me, that RC will make up whatever possible reason to fit his reads rather than reading the evidence and make reads out of it.
Normally i'd scumread this, but it's RC, and apparently RC doesnt bus either... oh wait.
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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 1665, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 1655, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Actually wilky claiming Miller and the confirmed presence of a body swapper makes both millers like super town.
Explain this to me. I don't get it.

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Because if there's a body swapper there's no reason to fake claim miller, even if your role is actually miller with additional abilities you cant swap it out. You can just claim something else and use the body swapper to help you.
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:34 pm

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k bye
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:34 pm

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Define append for me.

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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:35 pm

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In post 1666, Ouroboros wrote:And that is such a niche usage of the role, if scum had other powers they needed more like strongmans and shit then fuck yes they would give up the swapper tool.

they didn't expect this interpretation. we didn't even find out scum distributed their roles until now.
What could possibly be more powerful than having a conf town scum with a flipped godfather.
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:35 pm

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I mean.

I bus.

But by and large I avoid it nowadays because I want to be left alone when I'm town and have correctly lynched scum

ie, I generally play against my wincon as town to give myself a measure of peace when I do roll town.

I do sometimes bus when it's hugely +equity. I don't think bussing Ventriloquist was ever hugely +equity. I rest my case. postiepost.
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Because if there's a body swapper there's no reason to fake claim miller, even if your role is actually miller with additional abilities you cant swap it out. You can just claim something else and use the body swapper to help you.
JFC HE THOUGHT HE WOULD BE TOWNREAD FOR IT BECAUSE SCUM READ THE MOD META.

YOU ARE NOT THINKING THIS THROUGH

THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED MOD META OF MULTIPLE TOWN MILLERS: IF THE FAKECLAIM CAME UP AND THEY SAW THAT, THEY WOULD CLAIM MILLER SOLELY FOR THE TOWNCRED THAT ACCOMPANIES IT. YOU ARE BEING VERY THICK RN.
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