Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[davesaz]

I'd prefer not to just out the potential role that the flavor implies, but at least two people here know (ETL being the other). This is where you respect the knowledge of your fellow town.

And what happens when he's scum and ends up walking to endgame because I wasn't strong willed enough to nip this in the bud here? also HI ANKAMIUS!

You're assuming that I won't lynch the other miller claim. You're not the only game solver in town.

Meanwhile, how about tchill, care to explain why my scumread is wrong or somehow inferior to yours?

[Ouroboros]

if you don't understand my rationale for why GIF would have scum miller as a fakeclaim and why scum would claim it enough to be willing to vote them now, why should I expect you to understand it / be willing to vote them later?

Particularly given that you, Davesaz, said you thought they were more town than scum which is basically an unpalatable view based on their play so far but I digress

You're assuming that I won't lynch the other miller claim. You're not the only game solver in town.

Meanwhile, how about tchill, care to explain why my scumread is wrong or somehow inferior to yours?

I had to fight tooth and nail to get scum lynched yesterday: why shouldn't I be concerned that scum won't be caught if I don't do it myself?
What even IS your scumread on Tchill?

[Ouroboros]

I

know

I know something that other people don't know about the way GIF's mind works and how scumteams would deal with a miller fakeclaim and I've failed to communicate it to people for some reason. The only way to get the game to act off of that information is to do it myself. I do not think that I 'should' fail to capitalize on that in the sense that you do. You say there's other solvers but with Ventriloquist I was 100% certain the scumtells I saw were ones that only I understood: in this case it's beginning to lean towards me having information that other people don't.

[Ankamius]

RC

That's part of the reason I'm disengaged as hell today

[Ankamius]

The other big reason is because I was expecting to have a scumkill to analyze from because the way you've been driving the game day one made it impossible for me to read the gamestate and that's literally the first clue I ever would've gotten

And the only shot we have is from a vig.

[Ankamius]

Well I guess a tertiary reason was because I was trying to drive a wagon on myself for most of the game but I guess I obvtowned instead?

[Ankamius]

Oh I guess I should talk about this because it's kind of relevant:

I'm still scumreading Ramcius pretty significantly from their push on me today but I'm not planning on hammering him as long as the quest is ongoing. Yesterday's hammer was situation-specific.

I'll be on the wagon beforehand if that's not trustworthy enough, idc

[davesaz]

if you don't understand my rationale for why GIF would have scum miller as a fakeclaim and why scum would claim it enough to be willing to vote them now, why should I expect you to understand it / be willing to vote them later?

Oh, I understand it completely. The flavor overrides it. If we get results that make sense then good, if we don't then the flavor is fake too. (you know this by now but I'm a logic player not an emotion player, as long as nobody pushes my button -- fear is not a factor, anger is a distinct possibility and you want to run if it happens)

What even IS your scumread on Tchill?

I just posted it on the last page.

In other news, I've managed to get ahead of ETL's alt slips in postcount. But the string ends now along with the end of my relatively relaxed evening. 7 hours till wakeup.

[davesaz]

EBWOP a previous page, no idea how many posts snuck in...

[Ouroboros]

Short of the entire living playerlist agreeing to lynch him no matter what at a future game flavor overrides it isn't good enough for me

[Ankamius]

idk RC

I'm not exactly the type to just sheep unless I'm literally doing the barest minimum to stay in the game

Give me a few posts to look at and I'll see what read I can get from it.

(not setup spec posts because those aren't readable to me)

[Ankamius]

anyway

I'm in a mood

going to bed for real now

good night

[Ramcius]

Oh I guess I should talk about this because it's kind of relevant:

I'm still scumreading Ramcius pretty significantly from their push on me today but I'm not planning on hammering him as long as the quest is ongoing. Yesterday's hammer was situation-specific.

I'll be on the wagon beforehand if that's not trustworthy enough, idc

IIRC, you said you sr me, cause my push on you was preplanned? Ofc it was, i push you at end of D1, you give some excuses and then hammer Vent after hard defending him all time, so why would i let you from my hook? You gave me nothing to townread you, you didn't gave me names of scum, who supposedly pushed you in twilight, but retreated D2, you just throwing shade around and do nothing noteworthy to change read on you

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

it gives me great pleasure to MANWAGON this wanker

also, this game got really thicc

VOTE: ramcius

This is not a manhammer

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

MariaR isn't that far below and I kind of remember being pretty certain she's town but I can't remember anything she's done either.

idk maybe I'm going senile

I'm not too young to be going senile am I?

things are getting SPOOK

[Ramcius]

i'm at L-1 if i count correct

[Ramcius]

welp, still L-2, project voted me second time after last VC was posted

[Wraith]

Oh for fuck's sake, what the fuck happened last night

Did you guys seriously add 15 fucking pages in four hours?

[wilky]

Fight me then. You've repeatedly dragged this out of the game and I've had enough with your shit and ETL's shit.

But you're not the one making it toxic no?

Sure. I don't know the details, I need more flips.

And flipping the vig is your idea of progressing the game state?

This.

Is there a 3rd party this game or is it confirmed scum vs town

Nothing confirmed.

I will quickhammer ramcius if they are brought to L-1. 0 purpose doing that.

If you want this check then wagon Wilky for it.

You are actually fucking toxic as fuck when you don't get your own way. RC is officially on my blacklist now, grow the fuck up.

I'm playing terribly but I was the one who fought my ass off to get scum lynched on D1.

Oh right, no way RC would bus is there?

Oh so now we're going to the "Anything can be scum motivated so long as it fits with my reads"

Pretty much.

does someone want to summarize the case on wilky for me?

There isn't one

Actually yeah, why did Vent die with the body swap if keeping it would let them keep swapping stuff.

because they did what they wanted, they gave their strongest scum player a godfather and told people to cop them.

they don't need to keep switching stuff around and giving anything else to town means losing actual usable powers.

Like the scum miller wilky?

I mean RC can't even decide if i'm a scum miller, i'm fake claiming miller off my own back or i'm using a mod provided fake claim.

also i seriously hope your reasoning for thinking it's a fake claim is because he's miller

with additional abilities.

I mean i'll be serious the other ability I have isn't the best PR available but it is a PR. I mean, if it comes down to me being lynched its probably expendable.

Is it just me... Or are the people we're all arguing about convientlly NOT here e.g. Wilky and TChill mainly. But where's everyone else? It feels like 10+ pages since I haven't seen some of the other players.

Ghost

Nah, no way you're giving me a black mark for not being here at 4.41 am when this post was made UK time. You can fuck right off with that suggestion.

So am I supposed to endure you creating a toxic game state? i rather rep out than that.

But, but, but RC isn't the one making it toxic...

What if I'm right on Wilky though, Kaede?

You're not.


For the whole hydra 1v1 thing the way I see it is that RC keeps having digs at them and when Jingle/ETL reply he's hitting out with the whole 'see they're attacking me not the other way around' bullshit. There is no way that i'll ever play another game with RC again.

[wilky]

Also keep an eye on Maria/Tchill they seem the most sus on my wagon.

RMOJ, ETL and Dave are all town.

I still think Ram could be scum too.

[wilky]

Thinking about it I may aswell just full claim now.

Claiming Miller Slow Cop

As I said the role probably is expendably and if I don't get lynched there are better night kill targets. If i'm going to be lynched at least run Ram to L-1 then let Impossibear hammer me. Tomorrow keep a close eye on Ouroborus because RC's reasoning on his read on me is bullshit.

Also keep an eye on Maria/Tchill they seem the most sus on my wagon.

RMOJ, ETL and Dave are all town.

I still think Ram could be scum too.

EBWOP I seem to have lost the first half of my post there.

[Dunnstral]

Claiming Miller Slow Cop

This claim is stinky

[Dunnstral]

What does your role do?

[wilky]

If I investigate the same person two nights in a row I get a result

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

also user KAEDE AKAMATSU gets a honorary mention for being a REAL MAN

"but Kaede is a girl! how can she be a man?!" you ask

well, as the REALEST MAN i confer this status upon noble KAEDE AKAMATSU

we achieve very effective results!