Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[yessiree]

VC 2.6

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Janitor (5) [L-1] -

Mathdino, Ausuka, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, Lalendra, Ircher

Lalendra (3) -

Eddie Cane, The Janitor, Taly

Not voting

- davesaz, Iconeum, mutantdevle

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-05-29 09:00:00)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Eddie-kun in THIS game I possess disagreement with this course of action - the ROLEBLOCKER is the MOST important scumrole and NEEDS to be accounted for first (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

When we LACKED additional information on the subject, you would be acura to LYNCH LALANDRA first but NOW we know that the roleblocker MUST be between four people OR Iconeum is MAFIA. From MY perspective that's nearly an ENTIRE gamesolve （＊〇□〇）……！

In the PYP before the LAST Prince Lyon did a COMMENDABLE effort in CONCEALING the TRUE identity of the ROLEBLOCKER and town lacked LEADS in finding it which made an ALBAN lynch in that game wise, but NOW that we have a STRONG process of elimination we should ACT on the information we possess (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

[Mathdino]

if you want full wifom which you apparently do, not only is janitor less than 50% role locker as explained hes also probably less likely than his partners. the way he was the main wagon for a while means one of his voters would likely be a partner and bussing the best xcum pr in a hugely town sided game is not a thing that happens.the rb is most likely who ever the third scum is, possibly it dossnt exist and its iconeum, otherwise it's the third. what if lalendra faked her BUDDIES role?I've seen that. you always lunch confirmed scum. basic. mafia. theory.

stop talking in principles and start talking in the specifics of this game

we resolve iconeum vs VTs sooner rather than later

lalendra's actions have all been meaningless to analyse since she's been confirmed as scum, i've seen confscum do all sorts of wacky shit

what goes wrong from leaving lalendra alive exactly? you think town's going to fail to lynch her later?

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

if you want full wifom which you apparently do, not only is janitor less than 50% role locker as explained hes also probably less likely than his partners. the way he was the main wagon for a while means one of his voters would likely be a partner and bussing the best xcum pr in a hugely town sided game is not a thing that happens.the rb is most likely who ever the third scum is, possibly it dossnt exist and its iconeum, otherwise it's the third. what if lalendra faked her BUDDIES role?I've seen that. you always lunch confirmed scum. basic. mafia. theory.

Lalendra HAS to be a ROLE COP since because I confirmed it with my pick (;¬_¬)

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Iconeum 1
the worst 3
Lalendra 5
Ircher 11
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 413

LALENDRA is a CONFIRMED rolecop from this UNLESS she is scum with Ircher/Iconeum

[Mathdino]

ircher is confirmed neighborizer by neighborizing taly

so yeah lalendra must be rolecop

[davesaz]

Hammer intent.
Do we even need mutant's info?

[Mathdino]

yes, if he tried to pick a role that is unclaimed then we have a lying VT

so long cruel world

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

UNVOTE:

I do NOT wish for the day to end so quickly, especially in the case of a SELF-HAMMER Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

Was not COGNIZANT of the L-1 status.

[Ircher]

Yeah, let's not rush through things

[Taly]

Confirming that

Ircher

hooded me

I'm not moving my vote off confscum onto maybe scum. The major in-game argument for

Janitor

-scum is an associative, and we can't confirm that he is PR unlike what we already know about

Lalendra.

I've seen enough town guess and not lynch the stronger likely scum option and then it never happens. That literally fucked me and the rest of town over in Open 712

If

Lalendra

appears in multiple associative theories as scum, then her flip is far more valuable earlier.

Also

Math,

the whole

"Janitor is skitter30"

makes 0 sense to me.

1)

They have a different posting style and tone.

2) Janitor

uses "he" as a pronoun and

Skitter

uses "she"

3)

You still haven't even explained why this is Skitters sxumgame... if you really do believe this is an alt playing to a scum meta, why don't you elaborate?

And you should answer instead of saying "I've already stated this",

Math

I've reread the past 20 pages of the damn thread so if I have a question you're not helping push your thoughts by not even trying to post a link or quote.

I'll look at D1 interactions but I can't promise much... I don't have my computer and I don't have a lot of time to devote to ISO diving for a week.

[Eddie Cane]

ircher is confirmed neighborizer by neighborizing taly

so yeah lalendra must be rolecop

fair enough in that point

[Eddie Cane]

no, because your gamesolve relies on the cop getting actual checks on people

the theoretically town cop CAN'T get checks on people as long as a mafia roleblocker is alive

we lynch the most likely roleblocker and that's janitor

what mechanical benefit is there to lynching lalendra the role cop now after massclaim has already happened?

you're speaking in general principles and i'm asking you how lalendra's lynch actually helps us

it flips scum. I dont need more than that. less scum = more town ev.

[Mathdino]

i'm only going to answer "I've already stated this" if i've actually already stated this

- Open 712 was multiball

- This is different. This isn't "oh Lalendra is more likely to be scum", this is "Lalendra is essentially confscum". This is an effective guilty.

- Lalendra's flip isn't "valuable". It tells us nothing. She's equivalent to a mafia goon since we've massclaimed, and Icon will still be unable to provide copchecks.

1. No they don't. And this is pretty obviously skitter trying to stop wallposting all the time. The tone is almost identical.
2. I've played under a female alt. So what?
3. Because I don't care enough? I know what town-skitter looks like in terms of sincerity, reads formation, and paranoia, and this isn't it.
- Obvious associative with Lalendra
- Drew out the "I'm bad at putting down votes" to a hilarious extreme
- Modified her anti-setup-spec position once we called her on her shit, eventually started townreading me for it
- After criticising me and I hit back, she's been tiptoeing around my slot without clear reasons for whatever her read on me is. She SHOULD be paranoid
- Everything in her ISO that people think is townish is literally stuff that we criticised her for NOT doing in the early game. Between herself, Lovebird, Ircher, and you, she's the only one who's actually modified her behaviour in order to be more townread. Lovebird didn't change shit (WHICH IS WHY SHE WAS TOWN) and Ircher just kept making the same posts people gave him shit for.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

PERSONALLY I personally would like to personally perceive the notion DIRECTLY from Janitor IF he (she? THEY?) are TRULY are Skitter. It is just SUCH an absurd postulation to even CONCEIVE （・□・；）

[Mathdino]

you disagree with that?

i mean the play that i'm talking about is scum-indicative regardless of whether it's actually skitter

skitter can be sorted by standard motivation-reading and towntells/scumtells, she doesn't have some special meta

the metaread is just to indicate that nothing janitor has done so far isn't fakable by skitterscum and thus none of it is town-indicative

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

I am of the intellectual inclination that if you are ACURA about Janitor's TRUE IDENTITY that it is IN FACT scum indicative of them to play in this specific classification of matter - they don the appearance like a NEW PLAYER in such a way I do NOT anticipate town!Skitter would behave from the games I have read (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

[Mathdino]

i still don't understand how you can be reading janitor as a new player

they play nothing like a newbie

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

It was in their HESITANCY and QUESTIONABLE reasons to form reads (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

Either they were SOMETHING_SMART or they were NEW and I was not aware of their title of personage~

[Taly]

@Math

Open 712 WAS a multiball but the concept is still the same.

If you think Lalendra is confscum, why aren't you pushing for that lynch? Instead you're going for what you THINK could be scum and thus not only allowing WIFOM about PR actions- (((because with Lalendra being scum, WHAT credibility do you find with her results?))) But also WIFOM over the alignment of Janitor, Lalendra, and yourself.

Your actions are not aligning with your reads.

~~~

Also, I disagree with Janitor and Skityer having an identical tone.

I have played with Skitter before.

They use different wordings, I think they have a different approach to the game, and I can't see why you think this way when MOST of your argument is
"This is what I think and it's right."

Also, if you know what town-Skitter looks like.... WHY are you using that as an indicator of what scum-Skitter is?

People can look very similar as both alignments, and if you're TRULY sold on Janitor being Skitter-scum, I hope you have more than 1 or 2 games supporting your thought process and you SHOULD link them.

And even then:
Lynch Priority-
Confscum > Potential Scum

[Mathdino]

potential roleblocker stopping us from getting copchecks > confscum

i did a metadive on skitter a while back, her scumgame is incredibly out of practice and the meta is months upon months old (like, august)

i don't consider that valuable meta. ruling out a towngame is more important than "consistent with a scumgame" on a basic logic level.

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

Taly-kun WHILE I agree that USUALLY confscum > potential scum REMEMBER that we KNOW that EITHRE the COP is scum OR there is a LYING vt in {simyk, davesaz, janitor} OR that Iconeum is MAFIA!

The ROLEBLOCKER'S lynch ENSURES that town gets MORE information from COP peeks! Thus we are making a HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD play that is OPTIMAL in this setup GIVEN the power of READS allowing us to POE myself away from our pool - we have a VERY high chance of identifying scum with ONLY one lynch that ALSO lets us use a VERY powerful POWER ROLE (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

[Ircher]

An individual Mafia member cannot nightkill and use a power on the same night.

This might be useful to know for future reference.

[Mathdino]

I mean it just means that whoever is scum other than the roleblocker will do the kill tonight

Ircher should continuously neighborize people to conf him as town

Other than that, doesn't help

[Mathdino]

I can't be scum with Ircher I guess