Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[OnTheMark]

Thank you. That clears up a lot, for us anyway.

UNVOTE:

It does and it doesn’t.

Ugh :/

It does fit with the Miller claim as either alignment though.

Blah. Feels wrong impossibear wrote them off so fast.

[OnTheMark]

Ouroboros still town obviously
Ankamius town
Wraith town
Kaede town
Alchemist21 town

that's my 100% list, I'll branch out from there

Okay I am legit scared.

I agree with RC.

Help. Me. I must be going insane.

can you explain where literally any of these reads came from

RC because when he busses he doesn’t talk about anyone else.
Ank is a because I know her read.
Wraith is because his reasons are good for attacking my predecessor’s slot. Wrong conclusion but I see where he is coming from.
Kaede is the IC.
Alchemist21 is more a gut read.

[Ankamius]

Ank is a because I know her read.

This is true btw, OTM and I know each other.

Still more likely scum than not, but I'll need more time to sort for sure now I think.

[Dunnstral]

I mean, I like post 2051

[Impossibear]

@impossibear Can you please define the modifier “gated”? It has different meanings on different sites. I don’t want you to state your gate. I want you to define the modifier.

Specifically in this case, it means that there is some additional modifier to our role.

That modifier may or may not be one of the following:

Can only target someone on the wagon at EoD or any variation thereof.
Even/Odd Night
Loyal
X-Shot
Nonconsecutive
Night X
Night X,Y, etc.
Loses the ability if a kill fails
Enabled
I'm intentionally cutting this list short, because if I list every modifier I can think of to the role of vig and forget one, someone could reasonably assume that that is not our specific gate and thus we lose the advantage of scum not knowing if they need to play around our shot. I may or may not have included our specific gate in this list, although I will admit that it is not loyal. I think that would be an interesting choice to modify vig with though.

~Jingle

[OnTheMark]

How do the Miller claims line up with Kaede's and RMOJ's roles here based on this mod philosophy? 2 millers which could be cleared on mod Meta (and at least one on flavor) plus an IC plus a role that makes a second IC (and confirms itself with it) seems like a lot in my opinion for an 18-p game.

Spoiler: Philosophy, as it pertains to balance in this game:

Roles that are confirmed to exist:

IC- Unlynchable
Jungle's Conditional Hidden JOAT- Unlynchable and has to claim to have any use.
Scum Loyal Roleswapper- Useable to put the strongest scumrole in the strongest scum's hands.

Roles Claimed to Exist:

Miller x2- Negative utility
Non Weak Hider
BP Gated Vig- Unlynchable and Unkillable.

Roles That Exist By Thread/Role Information:

Town Protective- Missing kill N1 while I was an objectively terrible shot and Tchill was a never in 1000 years shot means that Kaede was likely nightkilled and protected. Not unlynchable at all given my Role PM.
2-3 Other Scum Power Roles- There is no utility to the Roleswapper unless scum has useful PR's. Probably one for each member of the scumteam. My guess is an investigative to help find the vig/IC (rolecop?) and something to fuck with Jungle and us (1-shot strongman (full strongman doesn't make sense)/Rolestopper/Roleblocker, etc.).

From this point of view, town is actually underpowered. I'd expect one or two weak Power roles, something along the lines of a tracker (Not likely to give innos or guilties, but not something scum can straight up ignore either) OR the rest of Jungle's JOAT abilities to be remarkably powerful. Flavorwise, it's probably the former, as Garvey's quests are apparently a meme about how annoying and useless they are.

The possible guilties/innos match up (1 guilty 3 unlynchables or 4 unlynchables against a 4 person scumteam is more than fair to scum). If the town decides to treat the millers as additional IC's that's on them and isn't worth balancing around.

On the flavor side of things, our flavor is pretty obviously a powerrole. I'd bet any other flavors that are 'clearing' would be obvious too, therefore a flavor massclaim wouldn't actually be that helpful. I disagree with ETL that wilky's flavor makes him autotown, hence his position in the lynchable pool of my reads. I just specifically don't want to lynch him today.

Hey, projectmatt, vote Ramcius. It's not about lynching him or his alignment, but is crazy protown.

Also, Jungle, Kokichi and Maria need to do the same.

I have proof that some of this is wrong.

I will not say more.

Are your reads based on this foundation?

[Kokichi Oma]

all of your posts sound insanely fake

What pjm said

[Kokichi Oma]

So PTM why do you think I'm scum again? Because your reasons have proven to be wrong.

[Ramcius]

you are bad and you should feel bad

i just see so much bad posts here, so please stop and think before posting

[OnTheMark]

So PTM why do you think I'm scum again? Because your reasons have proven to be wrong.

1) They haven’t.
2) You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Either you didn’t know about the claim and therefore it is ridiculous to think vig with only one kill
OR
You did see the claim and mention the vig with a bit of foreshadowing

Which is it?

[Kokichi Oma]

So you're telling me.

Me saying it's funny that someone said they wouldn't be the scum kill and then died

Is funny


Is


Why


I'm scum?

[Kokichi Oma]

I really hope for your own sake that you arent town

[OnTheMark]

At that point in the game, I actually hadn't seen Impossibear claim Vig. Had I been scum, I would have known she was vig and no reason to make that post. But, that's neither here nor there.

As I was saying, in that point in the game I'd only ISO'd about 3 people. So, I'm not quite sure why that post would make you think I'm scum. And based on the posts of other people, they are saying the same thing. How does that make you feel?

So you said you hadn’t seen the claim.

Why did you think vig then hmmm?

[Ouroboros]

Okay so I think I have a 90%+ scumread on someone who will go unnamed for now after some space and review

Hint it's not on the mark

I'll come back and do stuff in the morning.

[hebichan]

I'm prodded, I'll get back to this tomorrow, I'm running on almost no sleep.

[Ouroboros]

I think this game has 1 deepwolf

[OnTheMark]

OnTheMark replaces hebichan.

That awkward feeling.

@hebichan like I like you as a person but uhm this is awkward as fuck.

[OnTheMark]

I think this game has 1 deepwolf

I would think it is possible. I just am confused on some pieces.

[Ouroboros]

Ok we might be solved here.

[OnTheMark]

Ok we might be solved here.

Please fill me in more as I read your holiness

[Ouroboros]

Wraith and Dunn are 2/3 remaining scum

Undecided on third, leaning towards it being you

[Ouroboros]

VOTE: Wraith

This the shit I don't like.

[Ouroboros]

I said I wouldn't strong arm shit today so I'll leave you to your mislynch of Tchill. Wraith and Dunn die the next two days though.

[OnTheMark]

Wraith and Dunn are 2/3 remaining scum

Undecided on third, leaning towards it being you

Gonna crash now. That’s not might be solved and none of those would be deep wolves from what I have read so far.

If there is a deep wolf it is oroborous or your hydra.

[Ouroboros]

I am ouroboros / my hydra so no, not me.

Deep wolf contenders are like wilky, rmoj, bear