Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[OnTheMark]

Okay, yeah. You're just scum. Everything is too fake.

Kaede let me know when we are done doing whatever L1 thing we are doing and I can vote OTM

Good luck with that.

I am 99.999999% not being lynched.

I won’t say 100 because I have dealt with people who just scumread me on principle.

[OnTheMark]

i could hop on wilky wagon but i want to resolve tchill first

well, in my past large themes there wasn't, but i trust you on this

still, i'd prefer Tchill over Wilky, he came after both miller claims, so i feel it might be scum trying take advantage of miller claims

Still verylazy and by consequence Kokichi needs rope.

Either Ramicus or Tchill13 are scum more than likely. I waffle between the two.

[OnTheMark]

if Tchill is town, and wilky scum this is pretty telling tbh.

Agreed.

[OnTheMark]

Flavour Claim:

One of my abilities is that I am a prototype synth, my win condition is to eliminate the institute but upon investigation I will show as sided with the institute.

This is definitely consistent with the N V before.

However this could be a fake flavor claim. I am leaning towards not and Wilky is town.

[OnTheMark]

Dahhh shit I realized something flavorwise.

Both Miller claims are almost certainly legit.

[OnTheMark]

Flavour Claim:

One of my abilities is that I am a prototype synth, my win condition is to eliminate the institute but upon investigation I will show as sided with the institute.

Is your

role

miller? Or just the investigation results?
Fair's fair. My role is Commonwealth Miller, and for flavor in the "abilities" section I'm a former institute scientist who will investigate as Institute.

Never lynch Davesaz like ever.

[OnTheMark]

Because focusing on negative utility roles is a distraction and is the kind of thing I'd expect scum to be doing if both millers were town

Hi town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Okay, yeah. You're just scum. Everything is too fake.

Kaede let me know when we are done doing whatever L1 thing we are doing and I can vote OTM

A votecount needs to show up with tchill being at L-1 and impossibear being the 3rd vote on the wagon.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

At least...
OTM's also paranoid about RC just like me, the only reason i stopped pursuing that route is coz a lot of ppl said he was without a doubt, town.

[GuyInFreezer]

2.05

wilky (2):

MariaR, Tchill13

Ramcius (3):

wilky, Dunnstral, projectmatt

Tchill13 (5):

Wraith, Kaede Akamatsu, Impossibear, Kokichi Oma, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

Kokichi Oma (2):

Ankamius OnTheMark

Wraith (1):

Ouroboros

Not Voting:

Alchemist21, davesaz, Ramcius

With

16

alive,

9

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-27 22:26:54)

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Tchill13

I do not scumread Tchill13 I just want the quest thing done so we can move on.

[OnTheMark]

At least...
OTM's also paranoid about RC just like me, the only reason i stopped pursuing that route is coz a lot of ppl said he was without a doubt, town.

Mainly I am paranoid because I agree with all his townreads and disagree with the scum ones.

I think if RC is scum he has a list of people he knows he can mislynch and is working from that.

At the same time I don’t think the RC problem is a today problem because I suck as town and could be wrong. Mainly if wilky is town I FoS RC pretty hard between the misread and the antitown behavior I could see him scum. In contrast if wilky is scum then I lock RC town and the antitown behavior is just RC stick in mud.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So.
Why suspect Kokichi for that post?
You said it's weird that scum's kill didn't succeed. But impossibear has literally claimed to have shot MWNN, unless you think impossibear is scum lying and that they actually shot MWNN, then you have to think that the scumteam did shoot MWNN too, or they kill was blocked in some way or form.

[OnTheMark]

So.
Why suspect Kokichi for that post?
You said it's weird that scum's kill didn't succeed. But impossibear has literally claimed to have shot MWNN, unless you think impossibear is scum lying and that they actually shot MWNN, then you have to think that the scumteam did shoot MWNN too, or they kill was blocked in some way or form.

As I said before town doesn’t default to vig. They ask why the fuck that weird kill happened.

And impossibear being scum or town resolves itself tomorrow.

However the following are the possible worlds
Scum shot MWNN
Scum did not shoot MWNN
Scum no killed.

Eliminating the third as ridiculous. If they no killed they are bad scum and we will catch them anyway.
Now that leaves the other two.

If scum did not shoot MWNN they had to shoot someone who is either bulletproof or was protected somehow or their kill was blocked.

If scum did shoot MWNN the overlap is explained. With me so far?

[Ankamius]

Like

I'm really confused about the lack of a mafia kill too, but I don't see how this train of thought is going to help solve it or even help us.

[OnTheMark]

Like

I'm really confused about the lack of a mafia kill too, but I don't see how this train of thought is going to help solve it or even help us.

There’s lines that people need to read between and I have an extremely hard time being subtle.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maybe you need to read up on what "irony" means.

[OnTheMark]

So if scum did not shoot MWNN then they shot someone else.
If scum were roleblocked then I think someone would have had a strong scumread today or made some kinda of indication they had an Uber strong scumread of sorts.
Therefore it is much more likely that they shot someone who was doctored or bear who if town is bulletproof.

Now let’s look at the setupspec that bear did.

[OnTheMark]

Maybe you need to read up on what "irony" means.

a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

This qualifies as neither of those things.
The kill is not amusing, nor is it deliberately contrary to one’s expectation if he had not already seen the vig claim. The expectation at the front is one scum team one kill.
Now if he presupposes vig of which in the prior sentence and multiple times town doesn’t do, then and only then is it ironic.

[Ramcius]

OTM, maybe you just claim? Cause it's really painful to look how hard you try soft your role, yet people don't get it...

[OnTheMark]

Spoiler: “setup spec from before”

IC- Unlynchable
Jungle's Conditional Hidden JOAT- Unlynchable and has to claim to have any use.
Scum Loyal Roleswapper- Useable to put the strongest scumrole in the strongest scum's hands.

Roles Claimed to Exist:

Miller x2- Negative utility
Non Weak Hider
BP Gated Vig- Unlynchable and Unkillable.

Roles That Exist By Thread/Role Information:

Town Protective- Missing kill N1 while I was an objectively terrible shot and Tchill was a never in 1000 years shot means that Kaede was likely nightkilled and protected. Not unlynchable at all given my Role PM.

You claimed bulletproof. This does not necessitate a town protective. If RC is scum you were very much likely shot. If you were not shot then the almost certain answer is there is a protective.

2-3 Other Scum Power Roles- There is no utility to the Roleswapper unless scum has useful PR's.

Agreed

Probably one for each member of the scumteam.

Everything after probably is bad. You’re making assumptions based on expectations in a GIF game

My guess is an investigative to help find the vig/IC (rolecop?) and something to fuck with Jungle and us (1-shot strongman (full strongman doesn't make sense)/Rolestopper/Roleblocker, etc.).

Especially this last part. You’re assuming traditional roles to fuck with not traditional ones. I think if that type of setup spec continues town is boned

From this point of view, town is actually underpowered.

I agree marginally but not much more, like maybe one or two crazy sounding PRs

I'd expect one or two weak Power roles, something along the lines of a tracker (Not likely to give innos or guilties, but not something scum can straight up ignore either) OR the rest of Jungle's JOAT abilities to be remarkably powerful.

I really think you’re off track here

Flavorwise, it's probably the former, as Garvey's quests are apparently a meme about how annoying and useless they are.

The possible guilties/innos match up (1 guilty 3 unlynchables or 4 unlynchables against a 4 person scumteam is more than fair to scum).

Absolutely not fair to scum. The amount of unlynchables should never equal or exceed the amount of scum. Varsoon school of modding

If the town decides to treat the millers as additional IC's that's on them

Why did you say that is on THEM and not on us?

and isn't worth balancing around.

Underlined is my points after reading that spec some good some bad but I think everything after “probably” should not be used.

[OnTheMark]

OTM, maybe you just claim? Cause it's really painful to look how hard you try soft your role, yet people don't get it...

No.

I don’t want to claim unless necessary.

Besides people don’t believe me so that is their problem not mine. I have a role and I am not being lynched for it. Ever. If people wish to think I am fake so be it. The valuable information we get from scum pushing me is worth it.

[Ramcius]

OTM, maybe you just claim? Cause it's really painful to look how hard you try soft your role, yet people don't get it...

No.

I don’t want to claim unless necessary.

Besides people don’t believe me so that is their problem not mine. I have a role and I am not being lynched for it. Ever. If people wish to think I am fake so be it. The valuable information we get from scum pushing me is worth it.

Why you think it's scum, who push you and not dumb town?

[OnTheMark]

OTM, maybe you just claim? Cause it's really painful to look how hard you try soft your role, yet people don't get it...

No.

I don’t want to claim unless necessary.

Besides people don’t believe me so that is their problem not mine. I have a role and I am not being lynched for it. Ever. If people wish to think I am fake so be it. The valuable information we get from scum pushing me is worth it.

Why you think it's scum, who push you and not dumb town?

Because it happened immediately after I crumbed flavor and is a direct counter to a majority of people’s reads on the slot. Furthermore there is no ingenuity behind the pushes. It’s all a damn tape recorder. Some of them may be genuine but without the original thought there is almost certainly a scum influence.

[Ramcius]

OTM, maybe you just claim? Cause it's really painful to look how hard you try soft your role, yet people don't get it...

No.

I don’t want to claim unless necessary.

Besides people don’t believe me so that is their problem not mine. I have a role and I am not being lynched for it. Ever. If people wish to think I am fake so be it. The valuable information we get from scum pushing me is worth it.

Why you think it's scum, who push you and not dumb town?

Because it happened immediately after I crumbed flavor and is a direct counter to a majority of people’s reads on the slot. Furthermore there is no ingenuity behind the pushes. It’s all a damn tape recorder. Some of them may be genuine but without the original thought there is almost certainly a scum influence.

well, have fun i guess