Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm going to sleep. When I wake up, i hope people regain their sanity

[Kaede Akamatsu]

there's no way hebichan makes that roleblocker post as scum.

[Ankamius]

Also Mark I'm confused why you mentioned scumchat in this game being among the longest on mafiascum?

[OnTheMark]

Maxous was a 100% universal townread and the only scum in a game of 20+ and I never relented til he died.

This is the same pattern. You can join me or not but the reality is Dave or no lynch. There are no other options.

[OnTheMark]

Also Mark I'm confused why you mentioned scumchat in this game being among the longest on mafiascum?

I didn’t.

I said I as a player do. Was referring to Shadowrun game. Quite easily like 1500 posts I think. More than a grand for sure with two people

[projectmatt]

There are no other options.

this is not true

[Ankamius]

Ugh

Undertale took years off my life, I don't want to think about that travesty ever again.

And I was right and caught Maxous.

You also know how determined I can be yes.

So you know how determined I can be.

You know how this plays out yes?

So let’s all speed along and vote Dave.

You remember how adamant I was for the entire game how clears in that game weren't actually clear, right?

I was adamantly against trying to game the setup to a win, which turned out to be true.

The game just drove me so insane that I ended up falling into the trap of using it myself.

I still have nightmares about Narna in that game.

[OnTheMark]

There are no other options.

this is not true

You may not have played with me or are feigning ignorance.

I am making this simple. We’re lynching Dave.

[projectmatt]

hmm i sure wonder if onthemark insisting that dave is the only possible lynch today is going to further stifle conversation/natural scumhunting and force people to argue about mechanics just like the quest did

[projectmatt]

There are no other options.

this is not true

You may not have played with me or are feigning ignorance.

I am making this simple. We’re lynching Dave.

says who

[OnTheMark]

Ugh

Undertale took years off my life, I don't want to think about that travesty ever again.

And I was right and caught Maxous.

You also know how determined I can be yes.

So you know how determined I can be.

You know how this plays out yes?

So let’s all speed along and vote Dave.

You remember how adamant I was for the entire game how clears in that game weren't actually clear, right?

I was adamantly against trying to game the setup to a win, which turned out to be true.

The game just drove me so insane that I ended up falling into the trap of using it myself.

I still have nightmares about Narna in that game.

And I demonstrated I know how you use it.

So you also know where this is going.

Undertale was painful because people shaded me rather than listening. It was pages and pages of don’t lynch Maxous and then I brought enough people to it happening. I can do it here. And here I have mechanics too. The only lynch will be Dave.

The only question is if this is the easy way or the hard way.

[OnTheMark]

There are no other options.

this is not true

You may not have played with me or are feigning ignorance.

I am making this simple. We’re lynching Dave.

says who

Me.

And there is no more natural discussion.

Scum are trying to save Dave and maybe one or two scum beards.

Dave is eating rope.

[projectmatt]

the

entire reason

there's no natural discussion in this game and nobody is getting good reads is because of overly strict adherence to mechanics

[OnTheMark]

the

entire reason

there's no natural discussion in this game and nobody is getting good reads is because of overly strict adherence to mechanics

Mechanics aren’t exclusive of reads.

If Dave is scum I had RC scum long before proper mechanics.

Reads can be formed hell even in chess and poker.

If you can’t fake reads in a mechanics game it isn’t a me problem. That is a scum you problem.

And if you are town always start with facts then the rest flows.

The fact you’re not is concerning.

And the fact you’re only complaining now (will double check my memory) is telling.

More than likely means Dave is a PR.

[Ankamius]

Yeah but, do you understand how overwhelming you can be at times Mark?

It's one thing if the loudest voices has the entire game solved and never gets nightkilled.

But the problem is that loud voices tend to stifle everyone else and that's a huge detriment if that voice suddenly vanishes and everyone else has a vacuum of 2-3 empty day phases to try to catch up with.

[OnTheMark]

Flavour Claim:

One of my abilities is that I am a prototype synth, my win condition is to eliminate the institute but upon investigation I will show as sided with the institute.

Is your

role

miller? Or just the investigation results?
Fair's fair. My role is Commonwealth Miller, and for flavor in the "abilities" section I'm a former institute scientist who will investigate as Institute.

This means he has an abilities section.

This means he does shit. Contrary to what he claimed.

This means he dies.

[projectmatt]

sure, we can absolutely combine mechanics and scumhunting

my issue with this game in particular is that we're favoring mechanics to the extent where scumhunting is being stifled.

a good example of this is you saying that anyone who doesn't vote dave is mafia. by doing that, you're literally holding the entire playerlist hostage by making them stick to the mechanics and not, you know, actual scumhunting.

[Ankamius]

???

What's wrong with that? It's consistent with the flips we already have.

[Ankamius]

Hell, MANWITHNONAME had an abilities section and he's a

vanilla townie

.

[OnTheMark]

Yeah but, do you understand how overwhelming you can be at times Mark?

It's one thing if the loudest voices has the entire game solved and never gets nightkilled.

But the problem is that loud voices tend to stifle everyone else and that's a huge detriment if that voice suddenly vanishes and everyone else has a vacuum of 2-3 empty day phases to try to catch up with.

It’s overwhelming to people who don’t want to vote scum yes.

And if that voice disappears then town moves on.

If we continue to lynch scum then does it really matter if I am overbearing and force scum to work with me?

Scum don’t do what you want because you ask nicely. You drag them.

And as I said before if Dave is town I have zero qualms about RC and we can discuss what he wants tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

Yeah but, do you understand how overwhelming you can be at times Mark?

It's one thing if the loudest voices has the entire game solved and never gets nightkilled.

But the problem is that loud voices tend to stifle everyone else and that's a huge detriment if that voice suddenly vanishes and everyone else has a vacuum of 2-3 empty day phases to try to catch up with.

It’s overwhelming to people who don’t want to vote scum yes.

And if that voice disappears then town moves on.

If we continue to lynch scum then does it really matter if I am overbearing and force scum to work with me?

Scum don’t do what you want because you ask nicely. You drag them.

And as I said before if Dave is town I have zero qualms about RC and we can discuss what he wants tomorrow.

I think a few of Vent's posts after this whole tunnel started were icky, but that's... pretty much it.

I'm against the tunnel because I think it's going to be a net negative for the rest of the game. Scumflips by themselves are useless and could even benefit scum in the worst scenarios.

I think day 1 scumlynches are a net negative for town unless they're way ahead of where they're supposed to be relative to the amount of information they have.

This is not that type of situation at all because this Vent-push has drowned out 80% of the game. Even if Vent does flip scum, where does that get us, exactly? Limited information based on associations towards that slot and very little else directly, and less indirect information because this push was brute forced through.

[OnTheMark]

sure, we can absolutely combine mechanics and scumhunting

my issue with this game in particular is that we're favoring mechanics to the extent where scumhunting is being stifled.

a good example of this is you saying that anyone who doesn't vote dave is mafia. by doing that, you're literally holding the entire playerlist hostage by making them stick to the mechanics and not, you know, actual scumhunting.

When the mechanics dictate the lynch yes that is accurate.

Hell you can even say “I think Dave is town but as town we need this lynch and my top scumreads are A BC because BCD” but going against this lynch is 99% antitown.

[OnTheMark]

And if we get scum lynches every day it 100% doesn’t matter if it’s brute force or not.

You’re reeking of scum who can’t breathe here

[Ankamius]

I think we've done it

I think we've made a second undertale

Can I opt out of that

[projectmatt]

sure, we can absolutely combine mechanics and scumhunting

my issue with this game in particular is that we're favoring mechanics to the extent where scumhunting is being stifled.

a good example of this is you saying that anyone who doesn't vote dave is mafia. by doing that, you're literally holding the entire playerlist hostage by making them stick to the mechanics and not, you know, actual scumhunting.

When the mechanics dictate the lynch yes that is accurate.

Hell you can even say “I think Dave is town but as town we need this lynch and my top scumreads are A BC because BCD” but going against this lynch is 99% antitown.

you literally just proved my point