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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:55 am

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Reasons for Acryon? If they differ from Wheme?

I was unsure about Creature but then he started posting more things that didn't give me a headache unlike several other members of this playerlist. So he's town to me right now

I don't think it's far fetched for scum to defend a Town lynch but venturing with that thought process right now gives way to WID
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So I see your point
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:56 am

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WIFOM*

Omfg this is why I never phonepost guys
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:59 am

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acryon avoided voting toranaga and then instantly voted purrcocet when kidamn started the wagon
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:11 am

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Ewww wtf

If there's any bussing going on its

Acryon, you went from "i want a claim" like a decent player to "let's end the day hurrhurrrhurrrrr"

is the most important post of this game. Keychains pre NK reads.

Oh look Wisdom, most of who we suspect mirrors the reads here.

Since everyone is scared of role info. in this game, scum probably NKed Keychain off the merit of him scumread them.

Namely, if there are more than 1 scum in {Acryon, Wheme, Kokichi, Katsuki, Misaka}

Then Creature and Purr were not only designated wagons or mislynches, but are very likely town here.

Same can be said for Nick on a smaller degree.
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:12 am

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I've stopped giving a fuck about correcting myself

Ask questions if you want me to clarify something
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:16 am

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I would switch to Acryon to get in sync eith you

But Katsukis ISO and game approach is really, really bad. And I don't want him to last to lylo. If he's not lynched now I don't know if people will lynch later

So Wisdom.
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips scum?

What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips scum?

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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:19 am

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add nosferatu to that pool
his vote came late enough that i could see it as bussing
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:21 am

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ive only ever had one game with katsuki, ages ago, and if i remember correctly i lynched him d1 because i hated his style
thus i am not very convinced by "katsuki's game approach is bad" arguments
id rather lynch someone because i see connections with toranaga
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:26 am

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Yeah Nosferatsu has an approach to this game that can come easily from either alignment. If you and I suck with our reads I don't be surprised eith scum here.

But with that said, I have too many scumread and I need to narrow it
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:28 am

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Ehhh... Katsuki wanted a NO LYNCH during the "let's kill Creature because lolol" so I think he's less likely scumbuddy with Tiranga than Acryon

Plus I tunnel town too much when I have accurate scumreads otherwise. :(

UNVOTE:
VOTE: acryon
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:29 am

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I still want rope thrown at Katsuki.

I'm just acknowledging an Acryon flip is probably more likely in dispelling or confirming an associative.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:55 am

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In post 1153, Taly wrote:Ewww wtf

If there's any bussing going on its

Acryon, you went from "i want a claim" like a decent player to "let's end the day hurrhurrrhurrrrr"
This was a response to several players noting that since the slot hadn't been around for days, it wasn't likely they'd show up out of nowhere. And since I was about to leave for the weekend, wanted to make sure someone was there to hammer. Even though I know I can get tunnel-visioned, I like to think I'm reasonable at the end of the day.

Taly is town (although I'd urge you to not sheep Wisdom).

I still hate Purr, but I don't see his play as a bus on Tora, so he's good for now.

We have 2 flips now. I think we limit the pool today to individuals on the Srceen wagon, but off the

On the srceen wagon:
northsidegal,
Nosferatu,
Katsuki
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Misaki Network
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Kokichi Oma
, Keychain, Wisdom, GuyInFreezer, KidAmn

Off the Tora wagon:
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Katsuki
, WhemeStar,
Kokichi Oma
, NicoRobin,
northsidegal


Northsidegal was just gone, so it doesn't quite fit to include them as being "off the Tora wagon".
I didn't like Kokichi before, and still don't really, but until we sort out the IC claim, I'm not interested in going there.

So this leaves Misaka Network and Katsuki.

@Misaka: Did you use your motivate ability?
In post 499, Katsuki wrote:Theres a theory I wanna test out and I think it's possible that screenplay may be scum.

VOTE: SCREENPLAY
@Katsuki: What was the "theory" you were testing out here?
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:11 am

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In post 1161, acryon wrote:I think we limit the pool today to individuals on the Srceen wagon, but off the tora wagon
convenient
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:11 am

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Acryon, you lost me when you boiled my vote down to a Wisdom sheep.

1) I'm pretty sure you were replaceable with that hammer.
2) If you cared about claiming, why didn't you try to slow down the votes?
3) Why is Purr so bad? You're not giving a valid assessment here.
4) I get you're trying to narrow options here, but you're not looking at the full "who voted for what" with the dayphase powers... So I don't know what all connections you're making to support your idea for people being scum, when it's possible they are just wrong town.
5) I stated my case for Katsuki. Do you have a reply to that?
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:15 am

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how about people who were fine with lynching srceen
In post 285, acryon wrote:Screenplay is scum. This really feels like an actual scum-lynch. I was right about the non-anime avi!
and were not voting toranaga until it was too late to do otherwise?

lets conveniently leave those out of the pool, huh?
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:16 am

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This also extends to Wheme, who also wanted srceen lynched despite ending up not on the wagon
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:22 am

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In post 1163, Taly wrote:Acryon, you lost me when you boiled my vote down to a Wisdom sheep.

1) I'm pretty sure you were replaceable with that hammer.
2) If you cared about claiming, why didn't you try to slow down the votes?
3) Why is Purr so bad? You're not giving a valid assessment here.
4) I get you're trying to narrow options here, but you're not looking at the full "who voted for what" with the dayphase powers... So I don't know what all connections you're making to support your idea for people being scum, when it's possible they are just wrong town.
5) I stated my case for Katsuki. Do you have a reply to that?
6) Thoughts on Misaka?
1) Maybe
2) Because it seemed unlikely he would show up anyway.
3) Yeah probably not. It's still primarily gut, which is why I'm not doing anything there.
4) I'm still not sure what to make of the dayphase powers, so not going to make a decision based on it. Of course it's always possible they are wrong town, but I need to start somewhere today, so this is my way of narrowing down the playerbase for starters.
5) I like it, but I'm wary about pushing on your alternative lynch to me, because it feels like that will just distract from finding the truth. Trying to eliminate the noise.
6) Feel better about the slot than Katsuki, although not by much. Neither player has actually done much, but I do like the vote and questioning on Creature, mostly because I felt the same way so I feel like it was genuine.
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In post 1161, acryon wrote:I think we limit the pool today to individuals on the Srceen wagon, but off the tora wagon
convenient
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:25 am

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In post 1164, Wisdom wrote:how about people who were fine with lynching srceen
In post 285, acryon wrote:Screenplay is scum. This really feels like an actual scum-lynch. I was right about the non-anime avi!
and were not voting toranaga until it was too late to do otherwise?

lets conveniently leave those out of the pool, huh?
You'll have to forgive me for not adjusting my lynchpool as you desire to
include myself
. I made a clean cut based on ending votes.

If you want to actually present your own ideas for determining where to look for scum, you are more the welcome to do that. And when you do, you can include me.
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:27 am

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My point is that your adjustment is bs because you just go by the votecounts rather than dayplay
Explain to me why Wheme, who wanted srceen all day and didnt want Toranaga, isnt in your pool
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:31 am

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What adjustment? The point is that I did
not
make an adjustment. I did a clean cut based on votes.

Wheme is not in my pool because I just made the lists based on votes. I don't have a lot of time to play mafia, so this seemed easier than looking at every player's ISO to see if they should've been specially included/excluded my list.

You can argue I should've made an adjustment, but given my time, I chose to do it simply. Wheme probably should be on, but he's not, which is fine for me right now because I think the two people I got to are very reasonable slots to look into for scum.
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:33 am

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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:34 am

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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:35 am

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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:48 am

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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 3:33 am

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In post 1161, acryon wrote:
VOTE: SCREENPLAY
@Katsuki: What was the "theory" you were testing out here?[/quote]

Someone mentioned some sort of meta tell for Screenplay scum offsite around that time and it seemed to apply here. Looks like it was wrong.
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