In post 1119, MariaR wrote:Maria:
"Omg Dunn did you hear what Alisae said about Keychain being more popular then Toranaga like that just can't be true right"
Dunnstral:
Uh Maria why are you talking l-
Maria:
There's only one way to settle this! We gotta see who the most popular person is I've made a bet with Ali and I'm gonna win
Dunnstral:
Wait you're not serious are you-
Maria:
POPULARITY CONTEST! Vote for who you think is most popular in heal tags whoever has the most votes at the end is most popular!
I don't need to spell out to people that this is almost certainly another "high ceiling, low floor" choice and we should be really careful about it, do I?
In post 1123, Kokichi Oma wrote:Vote me as most popular so I can be clear please.
most popular: kokichi
And a doc should be on me obviously
Apparently I do. Unless this is Kokichi claiming that for some reason his IC-ness triggers off this vote and not the lynch?
In post 1127, Katsuki wrote:"The magic wears off at midnight when either hope or despair is within sight" Katsuki advises as Katsuki nods in satisfaction.
Weird, but okay.
In post 1138, Taly wrote:Town
Taly
GiF
KidAmn
Beeboy
((If any of the above gets mislynched, I'm going first.))
Creature
Wisdom
Nosferatsu
Northsidegal
Nicorobin
((The above can be town for now))
Kokichi
((^^What the fuck?))
Keychain
Misaka
Wheme
Acryon
((Confident there is +1 scum in here... looking at you Misaka for that vote history.))
Purroceat
((Probably scum but not very confident as i haven't formulated very strong reasons to suggest so yet.))
Katsuki
((^^Death tunneling this shit, most likely.))
VOTE: Katsuki
1) Sxumclaimed and I honestly believe it
2) literally useless.
3) Voted Screen, didn't vote Toranga, nd wanted 2 lynches.
4) Upon not gaining the "correct" information, they didn't want a 2nd lynch AFTER VOTING FOR IT. Backtracking and giving wxcuses for poor decisions is not a Town mindset.
YOU GUYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO XOMPLAIN ABOUT THE 2 LYNCH OPTION WHEN YOU COULD HAVE DIRECTLY HURT THE SCUMTEAM BY CHOOSING OPTION 3.
Katsuki Is my best guess for Toranga partner.
I thought and wrote down some more reasons why I think Katsuki is scum but my attention is now divided.
I'll just throw another vote each time I remember or find a reason to kill this.
I agree pretty much 100% with this apart from the dead people, Nico (further down IMO) and NSG (hasn't done anything to merit any kind of read). In retrospect, there are far worse people in this game than Purrcocet, and my opinion was probably coloured by disdain for people who don't just post in good plain English. Still dislike their misrep on me, but... maybe that's what they got from what I posted? IDFK. None of their interactions/lack of with Srceen or Tora make much sense as scum.
In post 1149, Wisdom wrote:The only reason i prefer acryon to wheme is that wheme was against lynching creature
if not for him mentioning this is not like scum creature id probably continue pushing there
I still want Wheme lynched. That flip on Srceen with zero reasoning from "I will not be a part of a Srceen wagon" (paraphrasing) to "ur scum lol" and their complete lack of actual content in this game makes them a priority for removal, IMO. That said...
In post 1161, acryon wrote: In post 1153, Taly wrote:Ewww wtf
If there's any bussing going on its
1061
Acryon, you went from "i want a claim" like a decent player to "let's end the day hurrhurrrhurrrrr"
This was a response to several players noting that since the slot hadn't been around for days, it wasn't likely they'd show up out of nowhere. And since I was about to leave for the weekend, wanted to make sure someone was there to hammer. Even though I know I can get tunnel-visioned, I like to think I'm reasonable at the end of the day.
Taly is town (although I'd urge you to not sheep Wisdom).
I still hate Purr, but I don't see his play as a bus on Tora, so he's good for now.
We have 2 flips now. I think we limit the pool today to individuals on the Srceen wagon, but off the
On the srceen wagon:
northsidegal,
Nosferatu,
Katsuki
,
Misaki Network
,
Kokichi Oma
, Keychain, Wisdom, GuyInFreezer, KidAmn
Off the Tora wagon:
Misaka Network
,
Katsuki
, WhemeStar,
Kokichi Oma
, NicoRobin,
northsidegal
Northsidegal was just gone, so it doesn't quite fit to include them as being "off the Tora wagon".
I didn't like Kokichi before, and still don't really, but until we sort out the IC claim, I'm not interested in going there.
So this leaves Misaka Network and Katsuki.
@Misaka: Did you use your motivate ability?
In post 499, Katsuki wrote:Theres a theory I wanna test out and I think it's possible that screenplay may be scum.
VOTE: SCREENPLAY
@Katsuki: What was the "theory" you were testing out here?
Alright, let's dissect this sentence by sentence I suppose. "And since I was about to leave for the weekend, wanted to make sure someone was there to hammer. Even though I know I can get tunnel-visioned, I like to think I'm reasonable at the end of the day." Implies that there would be absolutely nobody around to hammer over the next... what was it, a day and a half? Sure, Tora wasn't exactly looking likely to come in and redeem themselves, but a couple of hours more discussion (remember this is before the open night thread) wouldn't have killed anyone.
"Taly is town (although I'd urge you to not sheep Wisdom). " Trying to work out what part of Taly's extended catchup/thoughts posts you thought were sheeping. People can arrive at the same conclusion without it being sheeping and frequently do so in Mafia. Feels like a pretty disingenuous attack while trying to butter up with the TR.
"We have 2 flips now. I think we limit the pool today to individuals on the Srceen wagon, but off the [Tora wagon]" - That's a very specific subset, as other players have noticed, and then you narrow it even further to point at just 2 players with claimed role interactions. This whole thing feels very off.
Yeah but why, though? (To both of these). Lurker lynches are fine when you don't have any associatives and flips to go off, but we have all that now. Get to work.
In post 1182, Taly wrote: In post 1166, acryon wrote: In post 1163, Taly wrote:Acryon, you lost me when you boiled my vote down to a Wisdom sheep.
1) I'm pretty sure you were replaceable with that hammer.
2) If you cared about claiming, why didn't you try to slow down the votes?
3) Why is Purr so bad? You're not giving a valid assessment here.
4) I get you're trying to narrow options here, but you're not looking at the full "who voted for what" with the dayphase powers... So I don't know what all connections you're making to support your idea for people being scum, when it's possible they are just wrong town.
5) I stated my case for Katsuki. Do you have a reply to that?
6) Thoughts on Misaka?
1) Maybe
Why maybe? Did you think people were magically going to unvote Toranga at L-2?
And if you DID think Tiranga was in no danger of an actual lynch, why want a claim in the first place?
Your reasons and actions do not line up.
acryon wrote:2) Because it seemed unlikely he would show up anyway.
....Your post asking for a claim was 7 posts away from your hammer.
The only thing that changed in the game between those posts was KidAmn voting Toranga.
You didn't really give time for a claim, I would argue
Your position on Torangas lynch seemed to have changed upon him being pushed to L-1
You didn't even really express intent for the lynch.
acryon wrote:3) Yeah probably not. It's still primarily gut, which is why I'm not doing anything there.
Gut reads progressively lose validity after D1.
If you're going to cast suspicion on Purr then provide a reason.
acryon wrote:4) I'm still not sure what to make of the dayphase powers, so not going to make a decision based on it. Of course it's always possible they are wrong town, but I need to start somewhere today, so this is my way of narrowing down the playerbase for starters.
Here's an easy decision.
SCREWING SCUM OVER IS GOOD. Option 3 nullifies them.
Option 1 should've been best utilized if many people felt someone was confscum. Yes, our 2nd lynch did hit scum, but it's impractical and unhelpful to say "I don't know what's best to do" for Town in every fashion.
You VOTED for a 2nd lynch, but you were a vote on the dumb mislynch of Screen, and I haven't found what made you think Tiranga was scum in the first place.
acryon wrote:5) I like it, but I'm wary about pushing on your alternative lynch to me, because it feels like that will just distract from finding the truth. Trying to eliminate the noise.
Didn't you JUST day that Katsuki was on screen wagon and off toranga wagon and stated that we should look their for our lynchpool?
It feels to me that you're hesitant in constructing a well reasoned push.
My case on Katsuki was NOT solely because he is noise.
You're not providing unique content for your thinking. You're minimizing mine because I'm likely correct.
acryon wrote:6) Feel better about the slot than Katsuki, although not by much. Neither player has actually done much, but I do like the vote and questioning on Creature, mostly because I felt the same way so I feel like it was genuine.
...Misaka was also in your lynchpool that you gave less than 4 hours ago.
Why is Misaka better? Why aren't you voting or pushing the people you suspect?
In post 1169, acryon wrote:What adjustment? The point is that I did
not
make an adjustment. I did a clean cut based on votes.
Wheme is not in my pool because I just made the lists based on votes. I don't have a lot of time to play mafia, so this seemed easier than looking at every player's ISO to see if they should've been specially included/excluded my list.
You can argue I should've made an adjustment, but given my time, I chose to do it simply. Wheme probably should be on, but he's not, which is fine for me right now because I think the two people I got to are very reasonable slots to look into for scum.
What's odd about Wisdom wanting to know your pool? I think non end of wagon votes matter as well.
And what 2 slots do you think are scum? Because apparently you don't think Misaka and Katsuki are worthy pushes???
~~
Yeah, the more I read Acryon, the more inconsistencies I find with them and think theres a strong associative argument with him and my other scumreads
Why are people shitposting instead of voting?
In which Taly sums up all my thoughts about Acryon's posting. Sweet jegus take me now.
In post 1190, acryon wrote: In post 1188, Taly wrote:Also Acryon if you townread me and
think
I'm sheeping Wisdom
Then why aren't you trying to convince me your reads? Do you have scumreads?
Town requires tact too, which I'm attempting to exercise.
I can put together a full readslist, but I doubt it placates my critics. The truth is my reads are largely gut-driven at this point. Yesterday was a bit of a mess with the 2nd half being such a non-day and so many people lurking. It's very possible most scum exists in the lurkers.
Note A: this post says almost nothing in a not insignificant amount of words.
Note B: after 3 flips and 40+ pages, Acryon's reads are all mostly gut. I don't believe that for a second. I just don't think you have reads at all.
This is kind of weird, but I guess I grok why you'd want to track the person you just powered up. Willing to accept the action claims for now, don't see any pro-town reason not to. Maybe you can both start actually playing the game now!
In post 1200, Purrcocet wrote:
also is there a reason taly is town
also can we lynch acryon already
also can we lynch purrcocet already
a) read his posting, it's the most solidly reasoned shit anyone other than myself, GIF and maybe Wisdom have managed all game
b) we're in no rush and need to resolve what we're doing with this popularity contest
c) I mean, if you want
In post 1210, acryon wrote: In post 1209, Wisdom wrote:he will find scum motives in everyone if it has a chance of saving him
Do you think questioning Misaka is the path of least resistance for scum here?
In post 1211, acryon wrote:Actually don't answer that question. You've made up your mind and are clearly going to just be useless for today.
WIFOM + "You're just stupid" 2x combob
Vote: Acryon
this or Whemestar are my preferred options right now. If Kokichi insists he be "most popular" that's fine, but I want everyone involved to be aware that there's a non-zero chance it goes in a manner we're not expecting again.