Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kokichi Oma]

I missed the BP claim I think. Ok I'll just think everything out now

[OnTheMark]

It literally precedes the strongman submission so the shot doesn’t get fired.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So you're saying that if a strongman was used it has to be dave or MWNN that got hit.
That is... IF a strongman was used.

[Kokichi Oma]

Did you claim BP day 1? Or just day 2

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That complicates things, dave is looking guiltier.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Did you claim BP day 1? Or just day 2

they softed confirmable role day 1, they claimed BP Vig Day 2.

[Impossibear]

So you're saying that if a strongman was used it has to be dave or MWNN that got hit.
That is...

IF a strongman was used

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This is my only issue with the argument. If I were scum with a strongman, I'd know there was a BP in play, and wait for the BP claim before using it. That's just me. Depending on how smart the team is, they may or may not have thought about that. If Ouroboros is on the scumteam, they definitely thought about that.

pedit - what they said

[Ouroboros]

@OTM

Would you action precede a hider's action?

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

*your

[OnTheMark]

I cannot accept anyone besides Dave with my modifier.

I understand that there is a .02% chance that there could be something else.

I just simply refuse to believe it. With my modifier Dave has to be the lynch today.

Pedit Yes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

strongman could also imply the existence of a doctor and they'd use it to take down ouroboros or me.

[Kokichi Oma]

I'll think things over since I didnt know the BP thing.

[Impossibear]

strongman could also imply the existence of a doctor and they'd use it to take down ouroboros or me.

Yes, that was another idea we had, and this theory does support OTM's drive here.

[Ouroboros]

Whether Davesaz is or isn't scum there's a lot more info on that flip that will come over time, there's no reason we have to Lynch them today and then find out later that there's a doctor.

Your role also absolutely does not preclude a doc, it probably indicates the existence of a strongman though.

Maybe scum just didn't burn their strongman D1

[Ouroboros]

:thinks:

Hmm...

I like the idea of a strong role blocker targeting the Hider and then - using Bear's PoE of Vigilante versus hider - having Bear kill that slot, since I don't think the role blocker would interfere with the Vigilante's action.

Please don't actually commit to anything though.

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

Uhh I think Tchill is town and scum have a better answer to the vig but

[OnTheMark]

:thinks:

Hmm...

I like the idea of a strong role blocker targeting the Hider and then - using Bear's PoE of Vigilante versus hider - having Bear kill that slot, since I don't think the role blocker would interfere with the Vigilante's action.

Please don't actually commit to anything though.

Ghost

No. I don’t scumread Tchill.

We Lynch Dave then vig Wraith to demonstrate RC’s alignment.

If he’s as good as he says he is we test him and I try to stop the kill.

[Impossibear]

We Lynch Dave then vig Wraith to demonstrate RC’s alignment.

I still don't follow this conclusion. Like, I get that you're saying RC is scum because defying the Dave wagon, but that's RC. Dave isn't his preferred lynch, so of course he's going to defy it. How is that alignment indicative? It's basically the same exact argument he had with us yesterday, because we defied the vent lynch thinking they were town.

Talk to me about Wraith flip > RC alignment.

[Ouroboros]

VOTE: wilky

im just gonna sheep what seems like decent logic.

off the past few pages i agree with the reasoning behind the wilky wagon.

Okay.

WTF.

It's been 5 days since TChill has posted

anything

in this thread.

Did I miss something or has this slot been replaced yet?

Ghost

Pedit:

???

Why are we killing Wraith to demonstrate this hydra's alignment? Wouldn't it make more sense to just kill this slot instead?

If we were scum, we are under no obligation to follow this plan that you're proposing.

So, again. How does this prove our alignment?

FYI - I hate how this game has devolved into relying on PRs.

[Ramcius]

we're waiting for his replacement, GIF said he failed pick up prod and will be replaced

[Impossibear]

Wraith is a good shot regardless though

[Ouroboros]

Got it. :3

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

Wraith is a good shot regardless though

Explain?

RC hasn't informed me of why he scum reads Wraith.

Ghost

[OnTheMark]

We Lynch Dave then vig Wraith to demonstrate RC’s alignment.

I still don't follow this conclusion. Like, I get that you're saying RC is scum because defying the Dave wagon, but that's RC. Dave isn't his preferred lynch, so of course he's going to defy it. How is that alignment indicative? It's basically the same exact argument he had with us yesterday, because we defied the vent lynch thinking they were town.

Talk to me about Wraith flip > RC alignment.

RC is being defiant yes.
He is being defiant based on his skill.
He is doing it based solely on his word.

It’s what he does when he busses a scum, particularly a good scum which he can get credit for.

Since we lack an ability to cop RC testing RC tonight still ends up getting him what he wants so he stops being antitown. When Wraith flips town he will be proven incorrect and by his own words he should step aside.

And if he is proven right we eat humble pie and listen to him since scum have higher priority targets.

RC only started demanding Wraith mid day today look at why he did.

[OnTheMark]

So he busses Vent.

Then uses that credit for multiple mislynches.

It’s RC 101 particularly when there’s little to no PR risk