Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Dunnstral]

I mean, as I said D1, everyone can be scum if you just make up some sort of reason of why they'd do what they do as scum. Considering, most of them usually consolidate in one big reason "To appear town", which you know, it's something im sick and tired of hearing every single time.

Ok but I'm just pointing out that you're attributing reasons to townread him that you have no proof happened while there are other possibilities

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean, as I said D1, everyone can be scum if you just make up some sort of reason of why they'd do what they do as scum. Considering, most of them usually consolidate in one big reason "To appear town", which you know, it's something im sick and tired of hearing every single time.

Can you start applying that to my play this game please?

I've been for a while, the problem is that your scum game makes me very paranoid, and I also get paranoid of people that try to control the town.

[Ouroboros]

can you get paranoid of OTM instead

[Ouroboros]

k honestly I just wanna lynch dunnbun but I know maria will get mad at me if I vote him

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean, as I said D1, everyone can be scum if you just make up some sort of reason of why they'd do what they do as scum. Considering, most of them usually consolidate in one big reason "To appear town", which you know, it's something im sick and tired of hearing every single time.

Ok but I'm just pointing out that you're attributing reasons to townread him that you have no proof happened while there are other possibilities

Sure, I have no proof.
But I don't need no stinking proof.
I chose to believe in him and his skills as a scum and town player.
Because that's all you need.

Or isnt that what someone like you should be saying, Kaito?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway jokes aside, I still refuse to believe Kokichi would make that kinda blunder as a scum player.
That sounds sorta like the thing that I'd do.

[OnTheMark]

can you get paranoid of OTM instead

The only way I am scum is if Hebichan intentionally cheated soooo let’s how about not? If you want to make that argument you can. I won’t stop you but uhmmm that’s rather ridiculous for why I already pointed out.

Please answer the question.

And if I could show you site meta where I am not “bad” as town?

[MariaR]

k honestly I just wanna lynch dunnbun but I know maria will get mad at me if I vote him

I will tear you a fucking new one

[Ouroboros]

Ouroboros
Kaede
Ankamius
Davesaz
Alchemist21

Probably town:
Wraith
OTM
Impossibear

Bottom of town, but still towny:
Ramcius

I honestly don't know, going to trust setup spec and hope they do end up dead at some point:
RMOJ

Maria:
Maria

Somewhere around meh:
Tchill
Kokichi
ProjectMatt/Nero

Actively vscummy:
Wilky
Dunnstral

The only way I am scum is if Hebichan intentionally cheated soooo let’s how about not? If you want to make that argument you can. I won’t stop you but uhmmm that’s rather ridiculous for why I already pointed out.

Please answer the question.

And if I could show you site meta where I am not “bad” as town?

This is an area where I know that your thinking is systemically flawed regardless of how you've improved in other ways.
It's not the correct play to outright lynch the guilty here.

[Ouroboros]

Alright hold on

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean, hebichan doesnt randomly pop in and say "okay so it's clear MWNN was vigged? so i blocked Dave" as scum.
First of all if OTM's a scum rolebloker and they did indeed roleblock Dave then why? Dave had already said that his entire role was miller with no other abilities.
If OTM's not a roleblocker, then hebichan and OTM shouldn't have had that info much less hebichan wouldn't out it the way she did.

OTM is without a doubt town.

[Ouroboros]

Oh I don't actually scumread OTM

I just want you to not sheep him because I don't think he's right.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well that answers your question of "Getting paranoid of OTM instead"

[Ouroboros]

(Also I have never wanted to vote Hebi because even when she was being bad and like I objectively should have scumread her I just... didn't?)

[Impossibear]

Stifle the paranoia for now, Kaede. RC is both acting town and working well with others. We reward this behavior by taking the opportunity to work with him. If you punish him for being a good member of town (read: everything since his birthday) then you're part of the problem when he feels he needs to be toxic to play.

If the paranoia doesn't go away AND he's still alive for no reason in the late game, then you start dealing with BoP and that. But right now? This is exactly when we give him the opportunity to be civilized. Because if he plays like this everyone engages more, we get better reads, and HE'S INCENTIVIZED TO PLAY LIKE THIS LATER TOO.

[OnTheMark]

Then tell me where I am wrong.

Which of Dave/ETL/Wraith are town and why? << Note the last part. I know you’re going to say you’re town.

Also please answer if you think I am good/decent scum. I am trying to make a point so you can see what I am saying and going slowly.

[Ouroboros]

...all of them probably?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Stifle the paranoia for now, Kaede. RC is both acting town and working well with others. We reward this behavior by taking the opportunity to work with him. If you punish him for being a good member of town (read: everything since his birthday) then you're part of the problem when he feels he needs to be toxic to play.

If the paranoia doesn't go away AND he's still alive for no reason in the late game, then you start dealing with BoP and that. But right now? This is exactly when we give him the opportunity to be civilized. Because if he plays like this everyone engages more, we get better reads, and HE'S INCENTIVIZED TO PLAY LIKE THIS LATER TOO.

I'm fine with him working with others.
What i wasn't fine was with him saying Wraith was scum without explaining why and then expecting us to blindly follow him.

[Ouroboros]

Yeah I magically 180ed again but that felt like a town reaction to my push on him and as you can see based on some of the other pushes in the game that I snap townread at some point I do snap change reads like that.

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand how rc can see me as scum but ok, let's vote in your meh group

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah I magically 180ed again but that felt like a town reaction to my push on him and as you can see based on some of the other pushes in the game that I snap townread at some point I do snap change reads like that.

I am pretty sure you didnt need to say that, that one wasn't "magical" that one was "obvious" you even quoted MariaR's post and said you were second guessing too, that comes naturally. Your initial SR on him was what i was concerned about because I dont recall you explaining it anywhere.

[Impossibear]

OTM is without a doubt town.

Different reasoning, same conclusion.

OTM doesn't rush to fill the thread with reads if they believe they're getting modkilled. OTM believed they were being modkilled. Thus, OTM is town.

[Ouroboros]

Dunn I have no idea why you're locktowning me here and it makes me uncomfortable.

[MariaR]

dw Dunnstral makes me uncomfortable too (B

[Ouroboros]

then why are you calling him literal 100% town and stuff