Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[skitter30]

OK I'm off of v/la but I don't think I'll get to this till my break tomorrow.

[UglyDuck]

Basically everyone trying to say that WW and mafia are different is bad.

Probably scum, but also hella bad.

i mean... no, that is wrong?

WW can kill and Mafia can't.
Yeah we need to get rid of all of them, but as the set up is 7-3-2... why would you not prefer to get rid of the two that can kill. Like for real - best case awesome world = we lynch WW, and WW kills Mafia, and then we lynch other WW... because the only shit left is lynches and all of a sudden we are up 7-2 on day 3. Obv that is an exaggerated point, put you can feel free to scale it down accordingly. the point that Town is born with the upper hand if there are no NKs to be had is simply a fact.

[Espeonage]

Bc killing any sort of scum matters so much more.

[the worst]

Killing scum > killing a certain type of scum
The logic people try to use to sort within scum is very shiny though

[ceejayvinoya]

nah I think it's fine whether we lynch either wolf or mafia. Our seer friend can help us in finding the wolves anyway.

[UglyDuck]

WEREWOLVES, KILL, MAFIA, FIRST.

THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT IT. IF THEY KILL TOWN IT'S A MAFIA WIN FOR SURE.

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

Is this you pointing out there is a seer or calling them a seer?

PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?

So we lynch scum, who's gonna care more about which faction we hit within scum, the faction that ain't scum, or one of the scum factions?

Like...this one is pretty clear cut here.

on one hand you have a point to the extent that we should lynch "any skum" over "any town", but again, obviously we would prefer to lynch WW over Mafia.

[UglyDuck]

Bc killing any sort of scum matters so much more.

that's not the point. I agree that killing any skum is better than picking one faction and saying "we won't look for the other we just want to lynch this one". But that is not how it works. We look for skum - that happens, no matter frickin what. The issue is that people are stating that there is no upside to lynching WW over Mafia, which is just nonsense.

[Sando]

Is this you pointing out there is a seer or calling them a seer?

I'm pointing out there's a seer and that WW probably care about that.

on one hand you have a point to the extent that we should lynch "any skum" over "any town", but again, obviously we would prefer to lynch WW over Mafia.

Obviously town care, but if it's scum town care a whole lot less about which scum than the scumfactions do.

[ceejayvinoya]

WEREWOLVES, KILL, MAFIA, FIRST.

THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT IT. IF THEY KILL TOWN IT'S A MAFIA WIN FOR SURE.

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

Is this you pointing out there is a seer or calling them a seer?

uh this is Sando pointing out that wolves would prioritise killing seer, and not mafia.

pedit nvm there goes Sando

[ManWithNoName]

I'll go back to this.

VOTE: ceejayvinova

[Not_Mafia]

Mafia are a bigger threat than Wolves

[the worst]

akshully a thought what are historical win rates?

[Fumuki]

Basically everyone trying to say that WW and mafia are different is bad.

Probably scum, but also hella bad

.

That's completely nonsense. Werewolves and Mafia doesn't need to say "lynch wolves" or "lynch mafia" if you didn't notice. They only need to scum hunt any other person that is not their partner(s). They only need to shut up and scum hunt. They don't need to say to WW scum hunt Mafia either like I'm saying, because WW would be worried over the Seer and mess town.

I'm saying that Werewolves need to fucking

shoot

Mafia at night, and Mafia need to lynch the Werewolves for town here, but here you are saying that this is bad and we that are discussing it are "probably scum".

We need to lynch scum. That's the biggest priority.

Now, optimally speaking, we lynch werewolves here, then if they successfully shoot Mafia at night, we keep lynching them, if they don't hit mafia at night, we try to lynch mafia at that day.

But to not want to discuss it and say that "factions with different abilities and different number of members" is "equal", now

that

comes from scum trying to deceive town.

VOTE: Espeonage

[Fumuki]

akshully a thought what are historical win rates?

I got curious and searched for that, here it is:

8 town wins
6 werewolves wins

12 mafia wins

And let me say more:

Town and Werewolves wins are mostly from really old times, Mafia has been winning constantly recently. Werewolves constantly fuck up by shooting town at night to search for the power role. The unique recently werewolves win was due to them being extremely luck to shoot Seer in night 1.

PLUS, DO YOU KNOW THE BEST PART?

THE UNIQUE TOWN WIN RECENTLY HAS BEEN WHEN THEY ELIMINATE WEREWOLVES AND JUST LIKE I SAID, TRANSFORM THIS IN A NIGHTLESS SINGLEBALL GAME

I'm right now researching for it, but if I find any of the players in this player list that played before in Jungle Replubic games, knew that and are saying "separate factions are stupid and you guys saying it are scum/suspicious/bad", I'm 100% lynching them today. No excuse.

[Fumuki]

You know what guys? I'm maybe changing plans here.

As long as the Seer is alive and he leaves crumbes of who is werewolf and who isn't werewolves, It may be for the best to try lynching Mafia.

When we get the Seer results here we can eliminate the werewolf pool anyway. We deal with them later because I'm not in the mood to lose because WW aren't going to cooperate with town to eliminate the red colored guys.

[ArcAngel9]

TheYankeeReaper is not responding to the prods. He has 24 hours to either come back to the game or provide an update to me on his status.

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 1.9

ManWithNoName

-

skitter30

-

Espeonage

- ceejayvinoya, Fumuki

Sando

- , skitter30, UglyDuck,

the worst

- Espeonage, TheYankeeReaper, Not_Mafia, Sando

ceejayvinoya

- pinturicchio, ManWithNoName

TheYankeeReaper

-

UglyDuck

- the worst

pinturicchio

-

Not_Mafia

-

AP

-

Fumuki

-

Not Voting

, AP,

With 12 alive it takes 7 for a lynch and 6 for no lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-27 19:17:00)

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[Fumuki]

VOTE COUNT - 1.9

UglyDuck

- the worst

Okay duckling. Why is your vote still here?

[the worst]

because I've been pondering more than acting
still, bad vote
UNVOTE:

who's the lynch Fumuki?

[Fumuki]

Hmmm...

I wasn't sure before but now I am.

Guess what guys? Espeonage won as mafia last Jungle Republic.

Guess what more?

Werewolves constantly did shoot town at night there as well, and when they finally killed the Seer, it was too late and Mafia won just as I said that happens when WW mess up things like this. Now, how come a town!Espeonage doesn't realize how dangerous is to let WW do their own thing and prefer to not discuss what is optimal or not for town here?

He won last Jungle Republic with this Mafia tactic.

Rope.

Espeonage is getting the rope today for me.

And I'm getting confident that he's flipping either red or blue here.

[the worst]

your avatar looks so composed and serene, how could I not be persuaded?

OK POV taken into account.

[Fumuki]

your avatar looks so composed and serene, how could I not be persuaded?

I wonder if I used a calmer tone I would look serene and composed ...

hmmmm...

[the worst]

It wouldn't suit you....

[AP]

Catching up. Thought I'd wait until I'm fully caught up to post, but then realized that would probably not give you an idea on how I was thinking because things are... confusing at some points.

For example, I started page 27 thinking Fumuki's overdoing it (no idea if it was intentional or not though), but by the end of the same page I'm seeing it his way more than Sando's. Here's why:

"Wolves want to kill seer more than scum." My interpretation was "WW want to kill the Seer. WW also want to kill Scum. But WW want the Seer more than they want Scum". Fumuki got "WW want to kill the Seer, and so does Scum, but WW want it more".

Obviously the difference is huge, as the Mafia don't want the Seer gone as a priority, so I would have been much more inclined to go with my interpretation if Sando ever corrected Fumuki there. I was surprised that he didn't, and while I don't think Sando is in fact a WW myself (Why would a WW think aloud in the main thread about his plans?) I now clearly see Fumuki has a point (i.e. NOT overdoing it).

Let me read through the next 5 pages though...

[Fumuki]

Ah, I already talked enough on how Werewolves always mess up town together with themselves and let Mafia win. I'm not focusing on it anymore.

I'm starting to want to lynch possible Mafiozos more than Wolves right now. I've see the flips on the recent Jungle Republic games and it's always the same thing:

Werewolves kill townies
Mafia with their influence disrupt day light and lynch townies
Mafia endgame the remaining townies and Werewolves with endgame mechanics

Soooo

I want Espeonage hanged up today. I'm scumreading him and plus it's more a Mafia than a Wolf read.

Please let's all make Espeonage eat the rope today for a brighter future in this multiball. Thanks for everyone attention.