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[OnTheMark]

Those aren’t the only options.

Representing it as such because I don’t agree with your scumread is disingenuous as fuck.

What the hell are you even talking about....?

You're either town or you're scum.

Those

ARE

the only options

. Which one you are likely to be will change how I perceive your actions.

Yes I am town.

However you’re leaving every option that I am bad as the only options.

Neither of those options are right as no one is going after Jingle for their blatant attempt to save A50 in vain their terribad setup spec.

Both A50 and Jingle were railing against common sense. Why? Because Jingle is scum.

Why was SGBA killed over any other obvTown because Jingle is scum.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

However you’re leaving every option that I am bad as the only options.

??? No I believe that

if

you are town, you are misguided. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it.

Neither of those options are right as no one is going after Jingle for their blatant attempt to save A50 in vain their terribad setup spec.

Both A50 and Jingle were railing against common sense. Why? Because Jingle is scum.

Why was SGBA killed over any other obvTown because Jingle is scum.

1) If you're going to call someone's setup spec "terribad", you better be prepared to explain not only why they are wrong and what the correct spec would be. You haven't done that.

2) Setup spec != scum. I think that's irrelevant. If you believe it's a scumtactic, show us how and explain why it would be a viable scumtactic. Otherwise what you're saying is garbage and meaningless.

3) Do you believe Jingle is scum simply because he resisted the A50 wagon? Do you believe this is an "always applicable" scumtell? Do you believe that Jingle would refuse to bus a widely scumread partner if they were buddies? If so, can you show me an example of scum-Jingle ever doing that in such a way that would make you believe that is part of his meta?

4) You have yet to explain

why

SGBA-kill means Jingle-scum.

5) I disagree with you. From my POV you are either wrong town, or scum trying to change the narrative. From my POV,

those

are

the only two options.

.

6) From your POV, because I disagree with you, I must be scum. <<< this is not logical thinking. At the very least the possibility that I may be town who disagrees with you should be present, but it's doesn't seem to be. To me that says you are either confbiased town who will use bad reads to move your other reads forward into more bad reads, or you simply don't care what's true, and only want to make sure you spread as much suspicion as you can on slots you know will be difficult lynches. I have yet to determine which one you are.

In the meantime, I'm concerned with lynching punreader.

[eddie]

Hey Math, do you have time to compile all of the results?

[eddie]

{eddie, OTM, ETL} - town
lol

I barely have confident reads otherwise but vaguely

{Nos}
{Ank, Jingle, Gork}
{Pun, Titus}

[OnTheMark]

1) I was already stating that argument wasn’t protown yesterday because we needed agreement on who to cop. Destroying that was more antitown than proving Jungle scum since A50 was already a top wagon.

2) I am at work. Will compile shit at home later

[OnTheMark]

3) I have explained it multiple times

There is a whole slew of obvTown
Scum killed the guy we copped already
Thus the information we gain from the cops was something scum chose to give us.

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

No other way around it since he got a town and a cop result.

Which do you find more likely considering scum shot him?

[OnTheMark]

4) I am not doing a meta case at work and Jingle is scum because Jingle was bad. Jingle has BoP especially with that horrible argument

[OnTheMark]

3) I have explained it multiple times

There is a whole slew of obvTown
Scum killed the guy we copped already
Thus the information we gain from the cops was something scum chose to give us.

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

No other way around it since he got a town and a scum result.

Which do you find more likely considering scum shot him?

[OnTheMark]

3) I have explained it multiple times

There is a whole slew of obvTown
Scum killed the guy we copped already
Thus the information we gain from the cops was something scum chose to give us.

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

No other way around it since he got a town and a scum result.

Which do you find more likely considering scum shot him?

Could also be paranoid I rescind that but based on the kill unlikely.

I mixed up history in my head

[OnTheMark]

In contrast if scum don’t kill Jingle and in contrast kill me

Then sgba if a paranoid or random cop would have been a boon to scum and they get limit what we learn. Sgba was also antitown as fuck with the sudden hammer. Scum killed him despite that.

The only reason I see is if he was feared to be a real cop and onto scum combined with Jingle’s bad defense of A50 has me sold

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ok but how would anyone have a clue what they might be? everyone in this game could be one of 3 sanities

[OnTheMark]

ok but how would anyone have a clue what they might be? everyone in this game could be one of 3 sanities

If the results differ then they are true or random.
If the results are the same then they are true or naive/paranoid or random.

If the results are different and we have verifiable proof one is false they are random.

[OnTheMark]

By giving us confirmation SGBA is town is freaking huge.

Scum had to have a reason to do that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.

[OnTheMark]

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.

If Jingle scum only random or sane are things

He can’t be naive. He got a scum on Jingle for his check.

If Jingle is town he’s paranoid or random.

[mhsmith0]

jjh927 replaces Gorkington effective immediately.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

By giving us confirmation SGBA is town is freaking huge.

Scum had to have a reason to do that.

Sure. But you're saying the only reason you can think of is that they thought he was a sane cop, which is only possible if you also assume that Jingle is scum. To me that sounds like you started with the assumption that Jingle is scum and went from there to prove it, not the other way around. <<< This is the definition of confirmation bias.

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility he's scum. I'm saying I really, really, really don't think so. He's one of my best friends on this site and I tend to read him fairly accurately, but most accurately when he's scum. There's always going to be that odd game where I scumread town-Jingle out of paranoia. I don't believe he's scum here.

My issue with your logic is that there are missing bits that you seem to be ignoring.

[OnTheMark]

We couldn't investigate ourselves, so we targetted Jingle.

Report said scum.

~tn5421

[OnTheMark]

By giving us confirmation SGBA is town is freaking huge.

Scum had to have a reason to do that.

Sure. But you're saying the only reason you can think of is that they thought he was a sane cop, which is only possible if you also assume that Jingle is scum. To me that sounds like you started with the assumption that Jingle is scum and went from there to prove it, not the other way around. <<< This is the definition of confirmation bias.

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility he's scum. I'm saying I really, really, really don't think so. He's one of my best friends on this site and I tend to read him fairly accurately, but most accurately when he's scum. There's always going to be that odd game where I scumread town-Jingle out of paranoia. I don't believe he's scum here.

My issue with your logic is that there are missing bits that you seem to be ignoring.

I have no missing bits.

You’re literally posting bullshit.

SGBa cannot be naive.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.

If Jingle scum only random or sane are things

He can’t be naive. He got a scum on Jingle for his check.

If Jingle is town he’s paranoid or random.

You're right. The second line should say:
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random,

paranoid

or sane.

However, the end result is the same - 3 possible sanities for both scenarios.

p-edit - Yes everyone knows what I'm referring to when I talk about SGBA's results on D2.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I have no missing bits.

You’re literally posting bullshit.

It's not bullshit. Both scenarios involve SGBA being one of three possible sanities. You're saying that the

only reason

you can think of that SGBA would be killed is because the scumteam somehow cheated and learned he's in no way a paranoid cop.... AND assuming that Jingle is scum.

I don't know if this argument is worth continuing if you seriously cannot understand what I'm telling you.

[OnTheMark]

Furthermore SGBA is random cop or true cop.

Like, explain your logic on this. They only got one result - scum on Jingle. That means they could be any of the 4 possible sanities:

If Jingle town: SGBA can be random, paranoid or insane.
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random, naive or sane.

Both scenarios tell us nothing at this point.

If Jingle scum only random or sane are things

He can’t be naive. He got a scum on Jingle for his check.

If Jingle is town he’s paranoid or random.

You're right. The second line should say:
If Jingle scum: SGBA can be random,

paranoid

or sane.

However, the end result is the same - 3 possible sanities for both scenarios.

p-edit - Yes everyone knows what I'm referring to when I talk about SGBA's results on D2.

And it will become clear they killed him for the read.

Jingle stopped the double check of same target to not narrow down his ass pure and simple. Jingle fear killed SGBA

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Not to mention the fact that NKA is super speculative and near meaningless here... but it seems like that is your only argument.

[OnTheMark]

I have no missing bits.

You’re literally posting bullshit.

It's not bullshit. Both scenarios involve SGBA being one of three possible sanities. You're saying that the

only reason

you can think of that SGBA would be killed is because the scumteam somehow cheated and learned he's in no way a paranoid cop.... AND assuming that Jingle is scum.

I don't know if this argument is worth continuing if you seriously cannot understand what I'm telling you.

I am not saying they learned it.

I am saying they found it most likely knowing everyone’s alignment.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Jingle stopped the double check of same target to not narrow down his ass pure and simple. Jingle fear killed SGBA

???????????

Jingle wasn't targeted? And we still have the same results we would have gotten had someone else been killed...????

Do you honestly not understand how the setup works or...

p-edit:

HOW? EXPLAIN THE LOGIC IN THAT CONCLUSION.