Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: Espeonage

classic

i'm not "anti-logic" dude. being logical doesn't magically make you not a wolf though. this:
I mean if I'm scum I'm either Mafia or Wolf. If my play makes no sense as wolf I'm probably Mafia, and vice versa. If my play makes no sense as either I'm probably neither. Ignoring part of my play so you can slot me into a scumslot is poor play, no matter how you choose to cut it.

is awkward wolfposting. it has nothing to do with whether you're right or wrong.

Never actually said I wasn't wolf specifically...said that person should consider wolf-motive and mafia-motive and whether it makes sense for me to be wolf...

Read the context and it might make sense, but Fumu had said "zomg Sando has gotta be Mafia, he's scummy and this makes no sense as wolf!" and also said "zomg Sando has gotta be Wolf, he's scummy and this only makes sense as Wolf!"...see how I might put those together and say "uhhh, might wanna check your theory there"?

i wasn't saying anything to you about werewolves specifically dude, nor about the correctness of what you were saying, but i guess i'll go back and read more of it.

Ruby Red replaces TheYankeeReaper. This is effective immediately.

FUUUCCCKKKKK YYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS

SUP

two things:
1) get me up to speed on the main wagons?
2) should i hammer espeonage right now?

OK I'm a leading wagon because my motivation to obvtown in multiball with no flips is ~zero

Espe is constantly shitting on people for trying to speculate on scum strategies in this setup, he's previously won this as mafia by pulling a "fuck meta" on the setup and bussing his buddy (A50) then riding to a win. so he's kinda somewhere between openwolfing and too scum to be scum. considering we're looking at a 40% scum setup I'm happy flipping this.

UglyDuck SHOULD be wagoned because he's throwing around weird shady reads with no care about appearances. Love this normally but when I raised that he needs to explain his reads before EOD he seemed absolutely unconcerned with being nk'd in the event his reads are t/t or t/s (i.e. not wolves)

other than that...... we have deepwolfing guaranteed.

what do you mean by the "unconcerned with being nk'd" thing, and why do you take it as a scumtell?

Ruby have you read many/any ceejayvinoya games?

nope

[Not_Mafia]

IT"S OVER FOR WOLVES

Mafia claim

fuck that's going to be annoying

"wolf" = scum, got it?

Get that MU shit out of here

[pinturicchio]

MWNN this is the second time you say someone is at L-1 when they weren't, what are you trying to do? Lure Not_Mafia's vote to get a read on him?

[Ruby Red]

IT"S OVER FOR WOLVES

Mafia claim

fuck that's going to be annoying

"wolf" = scum, got it?

Get that MU shit out of here

lol

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, it takes 7 to lynch? For realsies?

[ManWithNoName]

MWNN this is the second time you say someone is at L-1 when they weren't, what are you trying to do? Lure Not_Mafia's vote to get a read on him?

The first time was a legit play to see what would happen.

The second was because I thought it took 6 to lynch.

[Fumuki]

To be pretty honest I believed as well that NM vote was a hammer

So Espe is in L-2 (practically L-1 counting that NM will probably hammer if it comes to that)
TW is in L-5
Ceejay is in L-4

Sando has some vote as well I think.

[Sando]

So Espe is in L-2 (practically L-1 counting that NM will probably hammer if it comes to that)
TW is in L-5
Ceejay is in L-4

Sando has some vote as well I think.

I'm on TW atm but yeah I'll vote Espe later today if NMs wasn't the hammer.

And no NM, if it wasn't the hammer, I'm not voting after you remove it just to give you the hammer, you can't have all the fun.

[skitter30]

I think fumuki's more likely than not town, especially given draynth, even though his posting is annoying me

Pin's a very strong townread I think.

I don't really get the esp thing still. It feels like a compromise wagon and I still don't think that anyone's sufficiently explained why he's scum. (I'm aware fumuki cased him and I think that he's scumreading playstyle differences and I don't think that his case describes scummy behavior)

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hiya ruby. Why do you think I'm scum?

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VOTE: ceejay

[the worst]

Ruby, it definitely pings me that he's throwing about seemingly confident reads and intentionally holding back information. The fact he seems utterly unconcerned with flipping if he's on the wrong track immediately makes me think wolfy. Probably over thinking the wrong things here but....
shrug

CJV is slowly developing a town style but he sounds p scummy as either alignment generally speaking. he hasn't towntold at all this game. so it's a compromise wagon.


pedit: o mai

[ManWithNoName]

Who's CJV?

[the worst]

ceejayvinoya

[ManWithNoName]

That makes sense.

[Fumuki]

Skitter, you can disagree with the Espeonage wagon motives and I can more or less see your point but...well, that's where the playerlist seems to be divided, because I'm seeing people taking a similar pov as me, just as well people taking a similar pov as you. and I'm not lying when I say that I'm sorry if I annoy you (I've been told similar things already)

Anyway, if I'm being blunt here almost every wagon seems like half-compromising and half-with intent at this point. The arguments have already been brought to the table and there's no new content to go on. Playerlist seems exhausted of this day as well just as exhausted of the same discussions and arguments.

Espeonage is still my best scum read but I'm starting to understand someone that simply wants a flip in slots not looking townie.

I know, you guys know and we know that each other know the fact that nothing will probably changing with what rest of this deadline and it'll end up as a quicklynch in one of the main wagons. So everyone not in one potential wagon for today, please vote in one of them,

seriously

.

With the rest of this day as well the future night, I'll probably be re:reading the thread since I've nothing more to do or say, so if anyone wants to tell me in who ISO I should start looking or something for me to think about, tell me now pretty please.

[the worst]

exhausted

tattoo this word on my soul, I was half considering flaking until my favourite gemstonesque primary colour variant rep'd in

[Espeonage]

I remember having a cj town read.

Can we do UD instead?

vote: ugly ducky

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm kinda hesitant on a UD wagon because someone says this is how he plays as town...

[ceejayvinoya]

I think fumuki's more likely than not town, especially given draynth, even though his posting is annoying me

Pin's a very strong townread I think.

I don't really get the esp thing still. It feels like a compromise wagon and I still don't think that anyone's sufficiently explained why he's scum. (I'm aware fumuki cased him and I think that he's scumreading playstyle differences and I don't think that his case describes scummy behavior)

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hiya ruby. Why do you think I'm scum?

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VOTE: ceejay

Wtf. A practically naked vote on me...

VOTE: skitter

Why am I a compromise lynch to you anyway?

[ceejayvinoya]

Like, you "know" that espe is a compromise wagon, so you hop on to someone you said earlier is your compromise vote?

[skitter30]

I want to lynch sando but I've given up on that being a thing.

I think the duck is more likely than not scum but I don't want to lynch him today.

I don't really get the esp wagon + it feels compromise-y + I don't scumread him so like I'm not really into joining it right now. Also I kinda feel like he'd be trying more as scum tbh. I at least know where he stands on things.

I can't remember you doing anything useful this game (ie I can't pick out any of your positions/stances/pushes without re-ISO'ing you which means that I don't know what you're thinking) + pin wants it and I think he has better reads than me right now and he's the person I think is most likely town + I don't really know where else to vote right now.

So I guess I'm compromising because I dislike the other options more.

also you're like OMGUS voting me here?

[the worst]

Which duck?

[skitter30]

you

[Fumuki]

VOTE: skitter

gl gl gl building a wagon on that

You and Ruby are honestly kind of wasting your votes

[Sando]

VOTE: skitter

gl gl gl building a wagon on that

You and Ruby are honestly kind of wasting your votes

Can you not? It's Day1 and people should feel free to give their own reads. Arbitrarily closing down peoples options outside of their control is not helping and is merely going to annoy them. Given you spent the first 24-48 hours of your time in the game vainly calling for my lynch, methinks those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones just yet.

[the worst]

VOTE: skitter

gl gl gl building a wagon on that

You and Ruby are honestly kind of wasting your votes

Can you not? It's Day1 and people should feel free to give their own reads. Arbitrarily closing down peoples options outside of their control is not helping and is merely going to annoy them. Given you spent the first 24-48 hours of your time in the game vainly calling for my lynch, methinks those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones just yet.

fuckingdynamiteposting
Ruby's reads are solid