Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[wilky]

Im not seeing this wraith scum thing can someone point out why he is scum? I'm still going to case ram aswell just real life has gotten in the way a little over the past few days.

[OnTheMark]

If I don’t block you and you say a result AND you’re town. << That is the predecessor.

Consider it how you like but it’s pretty much clear I am not scum and this threat is empty. I may roleblock I may not.

I already explained the stance and it is airtight.

If you’re scum and guess right the section is not met for “and you’re town”

And roleblocking you and you accurately saying you were blocked proves you have an action that you can tell I can block which Ergo confirms me as a blocker and confirms therefore I can block Davex

Again...Yes that is possible

It’s also possible (gif don’t kill me) that gif fucked up and never implemented what scum submitted assuming they did

We are talking most likely.
The only likely options are Dave is scum or scum shot ETL.



Consider that bolded part and think about it another way then. I am town you roleblock me and I confirm in thread that I have no result as I was roleblocked. That won't result with you conceding that I am town as I could have just guessed right which ergo proves my fucking point. You roleblocking me is pointless as it proves nothing on my alignment and denies us a cop result.

I mean you can try to argue scum blocked their own night kill but that would get more eyebrows than anything else here I think.

indeed, that would be ridiculous, also, there's an option that scum just forgot submit kill, i've seen in past that and town was going crazy about missing kill next day

[Alchemist21]

ETL are you still online?

[Kokichi Oma]

RBing wilky would be a scum claim.

[projectmatt]

has anyone explained why wraith is scum? i just iso'd them and i dont see it.

life has made it hard to post recently but if the game is still open tonight, i should be able to catch up and read some more iso's that ive missed.

[projectmatt]

alternate question: why is the ramcius wagon being ignored in favor of the wraith wagon? that's weird.

[projectmatt]

Yeah I could get on board with a Vent wagon too

Is it not possible Tchill has a jester role of some sort? Not suggesting an insta win but I don't see how his claim could be helpful to town otherwise.

It wouldn't surprise me if Wilky has done research and is relying on the miller claim because he realises the host has done this before, especially since he chose to highlight that it wasn't far fetched for there to be 2 millers again. As Alchemist said though, this is relying on some pretty niche assumptions so I'm not buying it just yet.

Very suspicious post

Almost forgot, might as well elaborate on why I find this post very suspicious, because why not

He uses some rather

absurd

leaps in logic in two separate cases to paint a narrative picture about these two players, deliberately ignoring Occam's Razor in favor of stirring up WIFOM.

What is more likely? That TChill is running a Jester gambit? Or that TChill is fakeclaiming? TChill's was by far the least believable claim so far, and the most awkward (considering Kaede is mod-confirmed). By bringing up some a longshot possiblity, Vent is indirectly mounting a soft defense of TChill.

Simultaneously, he attempts to cast suspicion on Wilky with a similarly absurd leap. What's more likely? That Wilky is claiming Miller truthfully in a game run by a mod who apparently has a habit of these kinds of setup quirks? Or that Wilky is deliberately playing off mod meta to mount a roundabout fakeclaim gambit, with a claim that is by its nature instantly considered suspect by default?

I don't like that whatsoever. And after we get the VC I might consider switching my vote right now.

this doesn't read like early-game bussing to me

[Ramcius]

alternate question: why is the ramcius wagon being ignored in favor of the wraith wagon? that's weird.

because people townreading me?

feel free make case on me, cause it's getting annoying, when people just throw shit at me, but can't make case

[Ouroboros]

I did a pretty exhaustive meta dive of Wraith's games right down to the point of pullling an Elli and searching for the frequency of a word I found overrepresented here and in weird situations and found it to actually be an applicable tell.

Like I don't have to be 100% right but anyone who thinks I'm wrong is going off of less evidence than I have thought through, not more. And that looks exactly like a scum early game bus, so.

[Ouroboros]

Also PJM is very probably scum, Ramcius may not be.

[OnTheMark]

Omg did you not read how Wilky needed to believe I could block him.

If he is scum he just lies anyway.

Like it is not a scum claim to test him.

But fine I won’t do it.

[OnTheMark]

I like give up working with you all on anything

You don’t Lynch Dave

You don’t like roleblocks force people into truth telling
I don’t know where you all play mafia but it isn’t in reality

[Kokichi Oma]

Dont rb when he can give a result.

[OnTheMark]

Yep uh oh got it.

Should I announce who I block too so it’s fucking useless?

[OnTheMark]

Better yet how about we mass claim and tell scum everything we are gonna do?

[OnTheMark]

I like give up working with you all on anything

You don’t Lynch Dave

You don’t like roleblock threats force people into truth telling
I don’t know where you all play mafia but it isn’t in reality

[Ankamius]

Hi guys

[OnTheMark]

So from here on out I am prod dodging until Dave flips.

Want my reads i Don’t give a fuck

[Kokichi Oma]

Why so serious

[Ramcius]

is it bad that i want Matt and Wilky dead for trying shift L-3 Wraith wagon onto me so close to deadline?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

so now this game is RC vs ETL vs OTM (vs me but I’m the referee)

watch these MEN DUKE IT OUT for the prestigious title of REAL MAN

who will achieve the status of REAL MAN? find out next time!

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

What is with this Moon logic anyway

because they are evil Titus

[Ouroboros]

Actually me and ETL are mostly in agreement about how to proceed from here.

OTM is just trying to lynch Davesaz.

Can you hurry up and vote Wraith so we can win this game?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

I’m in for a dave lynch by the way

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

why aren’t we lynching kokichi?