Micro 803: The Coalition

[Mathdino]

Another thing that annoys me: I'd be wagoning the shit out of you in a normal game right now

But instead we have this low stakes thing where the best I can do is wag my finger

It makes for a less stressful gamestate in a terrible way

[Myloninja13]

yeah, this set-up is certainly a low-key one.

[the worst]

I'm a tiny bit concerned you'd be wagoning me. Lol.

Idea was just an idea, basically like if we don't have a strong townbloc why not proceed into a vanilla game sans headfuck scumteams. Balance of all things I think Wisdom is town too.

[Wisdom]

I don't think scumteams are necessarily playing ideally though

I just got burned in a game because I tried to outguess scum and they didn't do what I was expecting

Like, do you expect a team of, say, mylo and Invisibility, to figure that out and make it work?

@math

[the worst]

What would you expect to get out of wagoning me here actually? Throw anything at me, I'll try and reply in real time under pressure if that helps.

[Mathdino]

Consider that any club that actually passes is basically guaranteed to have scum in it

Reads on d1 are effectively random

While scum will figure out what reads they need to have to facilitate a townbloc that passes

Town is fucking stubborn about their terrible reads in theory

Part of why wisdom is town by vca
He's basically not playing to any end goal

[Myloninja13]

I do kinda wish that some sort of phase before the deciding the townblock happened here. I'm generally useless at proper reads anyway, but ESPECIALLY day 1.

[Mathdino]

I don't think scumteams are necessarily playing ideally though

I just got burned in a game because I tried to outguess scum and they didn't do what I was expecting

Like, do you expect a team of, say, mylo and Invisibility, to figure that out and make it work?

@math

You got burned because you kept assuming there was some kind of next level WIFOM strategy scum were using to specifically wig you out
Kind of like exactly what you're doing here

Your reads would and will get more accurate with flips but we don't have a fucking feedback loop

[the worst]

Gut = Brie/Neenie town

spoilers because MU terminology springs to mind and I don't want to hurt NM's poor eyes

Spoiler:

I don't think this kind of WIM comes from scum!Neenie. She feels contemplative as town and far more exhausted as scum. Anyone got some meta thoughts?

[Wisdom]

what's WIM

[Mathdino]

What would you expect to get out of wagoning me here actually? Throw anything at me, I'll try and reply in real time under pressure if that helps.

Nothing, I would literally be trying to lynch you

It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

[the worst]

What would you expect to get out of wagoning me here actually? Throw anything at me, I'll try and reply in real time under pressure if that helps.

Nothing, I would literally be trying to lynch you

It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

problem

[Wisdom]

you think tw is scum here?

[Myloninja13]

I don't

[Wisdom]

It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

I dont get it
If you scumread tw you can shout about it so we don't include him in the block
How is not doing anything better

[the worst]

It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

I dont get it
If you scumread tw you can shout about it so we don't include him in the block
How is not doing anything better

QFMFT

[Not_Mafia]

Well, what scum teams here aren't possible?

Any involving me

[Mathdino]

because TW is basically my biggest cheerleader right now and i don't exactly have a fantastic substitute townbloc

you try making a serious argument that myloninja is more likely to be town than TW without laughing at yourself

like i'm at a point where i've recognised that enough people's reads have solidified that i'd be saying "we need a flip"
but here that basically means "wait for people to be proven wrong so they start actually considering the things i'm saying"

[Myloninja13]

Well, what scum teams here aren't possible?

Any involving me

And any involving me too. That narrows it down a bit.

[the worst]

ergo you'd be trying to lynch me why?

I get wagoning, I miss wagoning

[Myloninja13]

We could wagon Hurt someone I guess?

[the worst]

it really doesn't add much pressure... lol.
guess we could state intent to flashwagon if the townbloc fails?

[Wisdom]

i suppose
let's assume Hiraki/NM/Mylo/tw/Wisdom is the block
and let's assume it fails, who do we lynch then
I'd prolly vote Mylo and pressure there

[Mathdino]

like i'm looking through thebrie's scum meta and a lot of the case on her was based around her reads flipping due to votes/pressure and gamestate analysis of the wagons on her

it's whatever

Edit: bad take, man

[the worst]

ergo you'd be trying to lynch me why?

I get wagoning, I miss wagoning

MATH