Micro 800-A: Double Day Unlimited [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

Day Two, Lynch Two

Votecount 2.7

Lycanfire (1):

Not_Mafia

CheekyTeeky (1):

Cogito Ergo Sum

Cogito Ergo Sum (1):

Not_Mafia

Not Voting (3):

Lycanfire, CheekyTeeky, Dunnstral

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-06-03 21:43:59)

Mod Notes:

[northsidegal]

Prodding Lycanfire.

[CheekyTeeky]

I could only really see Dunn being scum with you.

CES can you explain coming to this conclusion with Alisae?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think there's been a reasonable amount of suspicion on not_mafia; I've certainly been suspicious of him. I think partly that hasn't developed as much because the not_mafia wagon has never had the benefit of the "free" not_mafia vote to jumpstart it.

There's a couple of problems with this.

First you have avoided explaining why you think NM is scummy, secondly it leads to another point that you've actually failed to take strong stances on anyone this game apart from your town read on Lycan. It reads as if you're leaving all your options open, without leaving yourself open to criticism. You have a few posts that look like questions to sort people yet you don't seem to go anywhere with what few questions you have posed.

Your grounds for scum reading me aren't strong either and are outweighed by the fact that you're neglecting to treat Red/me objectively. To take all our content and sum up your scum case on us as a stubborn/unfounded town read on NM, makes me think you're looking for reasons to scum read us rather than trying to fairly discern our alignment.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think my play this game has been pretty straightforward, so I don't know what you're talking about beyond your earlier comment on my #158 and I think #813 should put that argument to bed.

No. Those two arguments are unrelated. I'm pointing out your interactions with Lycan in general. I'm phoneposting so you only get linked quotes if I think its worth it. At the time your ISO consisted of 32 posts so it's not hard for others to see this manipulation for themselves.

[CheekyTeeky]

I haven't talked about any of that.

My apologies I confused that part with Lycan. The rest still holds.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think if NM was scum he'd be pushing for my lynch in some way. Currently he's backed himself into calling either Lycan or CES scum. I don't see why scum NM would do that when having x player plus me as his PoE pool would be easier to achieve. Say we lynched CES and he flipped town...how would he expect to win at LyLo with everyone suspecting him, trying to lynch Lycan?

[Lycanfire]

I don't think scum expected Alisae to get lynched. Actually, Alisae seemed to think eir was being lynched. To the point where I was remarking to Rosa that her defeatism sucked. After Alisae got comboed, Rosa was happy to say she would have pushed me onto it, which I then remarked that would have succeeded because Alisae was gaslighting hard with the "nobody listens to me!" rhetoric.

I'm not sure how else to rationalize that beyond eirs partner already being on em at L-2. Seems to me that Dunnstral and CES got sick of Alisae's shit.

Rosa's townreading Cheeky for some bad reasons. A mix of AtE/communicating (which she remarks is not like Pine... Pine was town, by the way, Rosa). The only good bit she has to say is that scum!Cheeky goes down the same way Alisae did and wouldn't bother re-evaluating the game or suspecting CES here. I don't see what options scum!Cheeky has considering all options suck for her, but Rosa basically thinks the way she is doing it somehow matters.

Cheeky: if CES is scum why didn't he turn on me today? I mean

start of day

. This is without Alisae flipped. He was away for awhile, but he gets the benefit of not having to be around for L-1. Alisae shows up with a broken caps key to counter herself. I start telling her that her scumteam sucks. CES comes in with this post

@Cogito Ergo Sum what are your reads?

If I had to guess, I'd say Alisae (#644 is pretty bad given his iffy Pinehammer)) and Not_Mafia but it also feels like we should just have this game on lockdown as long as we don't do anything silly? You're town; Katya's town, so we just lynch {Alisae, Not_Mafia, CheekyTeeky} and win the game.

I'll have a reread tonight because I'd rather finish things Today and avoid LyLo all together but I doubt my reads will change substantially.

And continually works against her for the entire day shutting down her dedicated counter (Dunnstral). He doesn't add morale for another vote in the L1 period.

If CES is scum, he can turn on me, like you did, with the support of NM, and his scum buddy and achieve a lynch on me.

I can see why scum!CES+Alisae doesn't lynch NM first (he's an asset in this case), but at the very least I'm a freebie.

This is a free ticket to LyLo

. Yet CES didn't bat an eye when he could have.

Meanwhile NM is ON two counters, up until he isn't, for some reason, with his inbetween blank votes inbetween blank votes post here

UNVOTE: all
VOTE: Alisae

I think this is scum Alisae fake indignance

(he was already on Alisae)

Here's his start of the L2 period:

VOTE: Lycan

It’s this or CES

If NM is scum, you should know why he doesn't consider you or Dunnstral as votes. Now start telling me why this is town.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you guys do some VCA it becomes obvious NM is town. He town reads people or unvotes them as his reads progress. The VCA also says Dunn and Lycan can't be scum with Ali. NM has town read dunn from the start. I don't see how we can lose at this point if we just lynch CES. If I'm wrong I'll reevaluate if I'm alive at Lylo for my PoV it has to be CES or NM and I'm not feeling NM from all the reasons I've stated. Whoever ends up at Lylo if we get there will make it obvious who is scum. I want to try CES first because I'm not confident you guys will vote him if he's still alive tomorrow.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: CES L-1

[CheekyTeeky]

If Dunn/Me/NM are alive it's NM
If Dunn/Lycan are alive together in any combo it's one of them.

[Lycanfire]

stating L-1 with 3 to lynch with NM on the wagon

[Lycanfire]

why are you and i the only nightkills you think will happen? and if nm is obvtown, why not him?

[CheekyTeeky]

why are you and i the only nightkills you think will happen? and if nm is obvtown, why not him?

I've given my thoughts on combos that point to someone being scum but I'm keeping some thoughts close to my chest so the NK WIFOM is easier to read. I think anyone is a valid NK.

[CheekyTeeky]

stating L-1 with 3 to lynch with NM on the wagon

Not sure what the point of this post was.

[Lycanfire]

stating L-1 with 3 to lynch with NM on the wagon

Not sure what the point of this post was.

that {dunnstral, ces, myself} know it's L-1 at your vote because nm is going to vote anyone that could conceivably lynched on any day

[CheekyTeeky]

Right. I don't see how at SOD CES was a conceivable lynch.

[CheekyTeeky]

Where is Dunn?

[Lycanfire]

he voted after you did, his lynchpool is literally the hammer vote and the person offwagon. doesn't take much brainpower to reason that it sidesteps the matter of who bussed neatly, while not trying to reconcile the combo vote, or alisae's behavior at l-2. if you keep townreading this, you'll end up swinging instead.

[CheekyTeeky]

Swinging?

If you're so convinced, why are you not voting him?

[Lycanfire]

I'm not convinced because you're claiming scum at every opportunity.

Let me make it clear: CES isn't being lynched today. If we lynch anyone, it's NM or yourself. If you make it to LyLo, it's with CES/Me, CES/Dunn, Dunn/Me. You will lose.

If Dunn/Me/NM are alive it's NM
If Dunn/Lycan are alive together in any combo it's one of them.

I asked Rosa if I can lynch you instead for this. In the mean time I asked you questions giving you the option of an NM lynch. Which you refuse to take.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lmao. I've claimed scum nowhere and unfortunately for us, people familiar with my meta know I've obv towned. Theres a reason I hate playing scum and it's because I'm well outside of my scum range rn.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

First you have avoided explaining why you think NM is scummy

I mean, I don't really have a strong incentive to do so. I think you're the second scum.

secondly it leads to another point that you've actually failed to take strong stances on anyone this game apart from your town read on Lycan. It reads as if you're leaving all your options open, without leaving yourself open to criticism. You have a few posts that look like questions to sort people yet you don't seem to go anywhere with what few questions you have posed.

I was definitely the main person pushing singer. Did that make me more cautious with Pine and Alisae? Sure, somewhat, not overly so.

I think if NM was scum he'd be pushing for my lynch in some way. Currently he's backed himself into calling either Lycan or CES scum. I don't see why scum NM would do that when having x player plus me as his PoE pool would be easier to achieve. Say we lynched CES and he flipped town...how would he expect to win at LyLo with everyone suspecting him, trying to lynch Lycan?

I feel like most of what you've done this game is look through ISOs and look for evidence for what seem to be pretty predetermined reads. E.g. the relevant post here is #780 - look at it in context (#778, #779) and now it's very easy to imagine not_mafiascum making that post. Same with the previous point; I can see how you can get there just reading my iso but if you read my game, I think the idea that I haven't had strong enough stances or avoiding criticism is pretty silly.

[CheekyTeeky]

good luck getting Dunn or NM to vote me here. Feel free to actually give reasons at any point.

[CheekyTeeky]

One of you two are game throwing right now. One of you two are scum. If you want to look over my scum games I only have 3, you'll see this is not my scum meta at all and everything I've done has been with the intent to solve this game. It's actually really annoying to put this much effort in to have you make this a losable game by not lock-towning me. If you lynch me and NM is town you lose. This is why I wanted to be lynched yesterday because I saw it coming a mile away.