Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Question 2:
Assuming Jungle's role does more powerful stuff to warrant letting the bodyswapper die, why would they target ETL with it? then Ouroboros (who died)?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

This is outside of the AtE they did today, i refuse to try and read that coz i'll always townread it, this is more my analysis of their role claim + play + mod confirmation of said quests existance.

[Impossibear]

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

Hey Kaede - I skimmed when I could over the weekend but am super confused on most of this day so far. Can you help me catch up/sort out what has happened today?

Like, I caught that Jungle is saying he submitted the wrong name - my question basically is why that was allowed as a "failure" on his role by the mod rather than say, "oh yeah I meant this", if I'm understanding how his role was meant to be used. Also what do you mean that it is confirmed by the mod, but as a fruit vendor?

ETL

[Dunnstral]

What is the mod confirmation of the quest?

[OnTheMark]

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

Simple answer:
Jungle lied about it being a day cop and it does something else.
Or
The quest powers up scum if they can get a not similarly aligned player to do certain things.
Or
It’s a loud fruit vendor and scum wanted to waste our time with something super hard so we wouldn’t hunt
Or

....

Give me time I can come up with more

[OnTheMark]

What is the mod confirmation of the quest?

The mod announced who received a quest with day open

[Impossibear]

Ouroboros received a quest to help out the settlements!

@Dunn - I'm assuming this, as this is the only mod confirmation that the role even exists.

[Ankamius]

Does the scumteam decide to just go on a WIFOM chase after losing someone Day 1 though?

[Impossibear]

Does the scumteam decide to just go on a WIFOM chase after losing someone Day 1 though?

The answer would depend on the team I guess. SOP would dictate we lynch the crap out of Jungle, which I think Jingle wants to do.

I don't particularly want to as I think it's a town role, with town flavor, from a player who's been playing pretty town-ly, in my opinion. My only problem is that I've been wrong this entire game so *shrug* I have no faith in my own reads anymore.

ETL

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

Hey Kaede - I skimmed when I could over the weekend but am super confused on most of this day so far. Can you help me catch up/sort out what has happened today?

Like, I caught that Jungle is saying he submitted the wrong name - my question basically is why that was allowed as a "failure" on his role by the mod rather than say, "oh yeah I meant this", if I'm understanding how his role was meant to be used. Also what do you mean that it is confirmed by the mod, but as a fruit vendor?

ETL

Summary
MariaR is in a neighborhood with Dunn and Ouroboros created by Ouroboros.
That neighborhood also controls a tracker among all of them, track target must be agreed to by majority.
If there's 1 or more scum in the hood the track will always yield "didn't visit" regardless.
MariaR claims to track matt and getting "didn't visit"
matt confirms this.
wilky claims no result and blames OTM for it.
OTM says he targeted dave.
I came up with a theory that scum has a delayed NK or kills with poison because otherwise why did ouroboros die now instead of N1, when they were actually confirmed right, and why is the roleblocker still alive.
Jungle submitted the wrong name and apologized (apparently according to this you were supposed to hammer the name he submitted)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I still dunno why Ouro and co would track someone that's not a confirmed visitor, a visiting result would immediately make that a masonry.

[Impossibear]

Ok, thanks so much - that's perfect.

I dislike the poison theory - that's not really a thing in FO, especially not for the Institute - they use energy weapons, (laser rifles, mostly) I understand the thought process but it doesn't fit for me. I agree with your other questions though.

So, who wants to help me get my head on straight again? Here's where I'm at, starting from scratch:

Wilky

- claimed miller slow-cop, blocked N2
I thought this was town. D3 has me questioning that if OTM is to be believed in that he blocked Dave instead. Or Scum have a block of some sorts as well.

hebichan/OnTheMark

- claimed roleblocker plus, blocked Dave N1, Dave N2
hebichan gave me scum vibes. OTM is.. OTM. so.... no idea.

Kaede Akamatsu

- mod confirmed IC
yep.

MariaR

- claimed ??? supposed did some scout thing on Dunn, got neighborized with a group track on

???

pmatt
scum vibes here. willfully denying information, being pretty cagey about it too, unless i've missed something. i think the scout thing was a bad fake-y something or other. i'd lynch this. but not today.

Maria should target us or OTM tonight and reveal results tomorrow as that would effectively give us a 2-person pool of conf-town or 1 in 2 of conf-scum.

edit add-in: with the new info that they tracked projectmatt, I could absolutely see a Maria/projectmatt partnership. how does that reason with vent? would really like to hear more about how that decision was made. also what about N2? they tracked pmatt N1? or did they only get the track N2?

Ramcius

I still think this is lynchbait town.

Ankamius

I forget

Tchill13/punreader

- claimed non-weak hider
? I think bullshit. I should probably reread Pun's stuff.

Dunnstral

no idea.

verylazy/Kokichi Oma

no idea.

davesaz

- claimed miller vaniller, blocked by OTM N1, N2
???? I thought town. His posts on D2 though were crap and gave me bad vibes.

Alchemist21

very town, still very town

Nero Cain/projectmatt

???? no idea

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

- claimed preston garvey, quest giver
i thought town. still think town

[Impossibear]

^ ETL

[Ankamius]

I don't blame you, I'm pretty easy to forget

[Impossibear]

I don't blame you, I'm pretty easy to forget

I'm sorry. It's not you, it's me. I don't really know where to begin at this point. And I don't have the motivation to reread everyone's ISO.

ETL

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I also claim the ability to visit during the night, but im not claiming what my night action does, you can add me to the pool of what MariaR should track, I have a plan. This will reduce the chances of shenanigans, by having a pool of 3.
(Btw N1 targeted Ouroboros, N2 targeted Kokichi, if i die over the night, this may help figure out what's going on)

[Ramcius]

Pjm is an awful vote. Just like wraith.

why PJM is bad vote?

[Impossibear]

Why don't you help me out though - can you give me your thoughts on these? More than one sentence would be preferable so I can get a good idea of where your head is

1) Where do you stand on Maria's claims, the track choice, etc.?

2) Same q. re: Jungle, and his "blunder".

3) OTM supposedly blocking the same person twice, tunnelling on Dave, etc.?

4) Wilky.

5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.

ETL

p-edit:

@Ank

[OnTheMark]

Impossibear — Why does your slot want to follow SOP for Jungle and not Dave?

[Impossibear]

Impossibear — Why does your slot want to follow SOP for Jungle and not Dave?

I don't.

[Impossibear]

I'd already agreed with you that SOP would indicate we should lynch Dave, but that logic and reason indicated we shouldn't.

Being too literal and following SOP to the letter is a one-way ticket to town loss. You have to be able to understand when and when not to apply SOP. Mafia isn't about black and white. It's a communication game, and you have to be able to read nuance.

[Impossibear]

SOP would dictate we lynch the crap out of Jungle, which I think Jingle wants to do.

I don't particularly want to

Also reading the words helps.

[OnTheMark]

I'd already agreed with you that SOP would indicate we should lynch Dave, but that logic and reason indicated we shouldn't.

Being too literal and following SOP to the letter is a one-way ticket to town loss. You have to be able to understand when and when not to apply SOP. Mafia isn't about black and white. It's a communication game, and you have to be able to read nuance.

*eyebrow raised*

This feels very very wrong.

If there has to be nuance with Dave there has to be nuance with Jungle.
If there isn’t nuance with Dave then there isn’t nuance with Jungle.

I find it very odd that you are not trying to see if there is nuance now and tunneling Jungle when before you were all “hold up no don’t lynch Dave there could be other possibilities” Kaede brought up other possibilities (which I disagree with) but you aren’t looking at them why?

Are you odd night SK even night ascetic one shot BP SK?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

What is SOP?

[Ramcius]

Also, mah buddy Matt, what you can tell about Kokichi defending/deflecting your wagon?