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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:46 pm

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In post 1624, Nosferatu wrote:I didn't target anyone last night so this is kinda unwarranted >.>
Then why is your vote on me at all?
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:47 pm

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So when the votecount rolls around and you see 2 votes on you it might be a little clearer.
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:48 pm

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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:48 pm

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Nosferatu wrote:So when the votecount rolls around and you see 2 votes on you it might be a little clearer.
So....

You're voting me to prove a point?
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:49 pm

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I'm beyond this...
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:49 pm

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In post 1629, Nosferatu wrote:I'm beyond this...
So you think I'm scum?
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:50 pm

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I figured this was gonna happen, I'm just gonna post my notes from last night? That cool?
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:51 pm

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In post 1631, Nosferatu wrote:I figured this was gonna happen, I'm just gonna post my notes from last night? That cool?
lol, I want to hear this.
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:52 pm

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ok
Spoiler:
I'm getting lynched most likely today but esketit so I can copy paste this at day start and lead y'all to victory after my death on some itachi shit.

I see literally no reason in not claiming my night actions thus far.
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n1: kept the thread open
n2: gunsmith'd acryon who gave a no gun result. Could possibly be a traitor and that's why I asked about it in thread. Not reading his ISO now so I can do it in-thread.
d4: I didn't choose any role so I'm a double voter today : )
d5: global watcher

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People that I'm willing to ISO (some of your ISOs are too big and I'm just not going to change my mind on your sorting.)
{GuyInFreezer, Purrcocet, acryon(but later), KidAmn, Katsuki, Misaka Network, Beeboy, Taly}


GIF:
When I first read D1 I strongly felt this was town but this feeling is diminishing as I re-read this in ISO. A lot of the unease I feels stems from like little tiny things that aren't particularly scum-indicative on any meta basis that I know of, but that tick me off anyway. The first thing is that he (sorta, it happens like ~5 times D1) frequently seems to be buddying Wisdom, with stuff like "are we mason buddies??"/"literally soulmelding with me"/Top-of-the-readlist-every-time.

He dropped off the map for the most part after D1, and has only voted scum since then. I would be fine with this, but the problem is that as of the readlists he posted D1, his vote patterns after D1, don't make sense. For example YT and Whemestar were both at the top of his D1 readlist and he would later go on to lynch them.

Overall he says he has the game sorted but the consistency in sticking with the reads that he publicly displayed is not there imo. I would like 60% support a lynch on this but GIF has offered himself D5 for the potential double vengeful. Light 4.

After re-considering, his roles like treestump, vengeful, and beloved, are all possible as scum. Light 3.


Wisdom/nsg/acryon/KidAmn/Misaka/Keychain/Katsuki/Purr
Nosferatu/Tora/WhemeStar
Nico
Creature

Vote pattern:
D1: beeboy --> screen(T) --> Creature --> Nico(T) --> Screen(T) --> Creature --> Tora(S)
D2: Whemestar(S)
D3: YT(S)

Purrcocet:
eep. Honestly not what I expected from this slot this game, but I kinda don't see this as scum just off of D1. My biggest issue with this slot is just the posting style. It's really needlessly umm... toddlerish. I'll find a word later don't worry. I digress, the other actually alignment indicative part of the slot I find off are the reads. I expected them to be better. Keychain and GIF are the primary scumreads for the day, and we can clearly see how the keychain wagon ended up. I don't like how he went about it either, he mostly just called the slot scum repeatedly and then explained it by calling it essentially aura (511), which is like naruto levels of scumreads. The GIF read was a little more grounded in reality. I agree that scum!GIF does set up people up to get mislynched with weird """"reaction tests"""" (I still remember when it happened to me offsite when I was like 13), but I don't think that's what's happenening her, simply because he stopped pushing at the IC claim, and I'm fairly sure that scum!GIF could have given less than a shit about that and pushed it anyway and then argued that he thought he was flailing (or provoked him into flailing).

Reconsidering after a few hours and maybe scum!gif didn't think he had the clout or that he could make it believable. Point may have merit after all.

As a secondary part I'm thinking this slot is town based on some of these I don't even want to call it crumbs that I'm seeing here. Firm 6.


Vote pattern:
D1: Keychain --> Creature --> acryon --> Tora
D2: Nos --> wheme
D3: YT

KidAmn:
I was iffy on this slot in the beginning because of the whole "high ceiling lowest floor" hedge bullshit about the D1 options. I don't find kid to be doing anything like, of note, but it doesn't really matter tbh. Like he's obviously trying, despite the fact that I don't really agree with some of this, like the Purrcocet vote, the vote for choice 3, the nico vote, the kokichi vote, and the story goes on. The frustration also seals the deal here on town!kid. Like I honestly glaze over reading this ISO. I feel stupid typing this now, no one needed me to tell anyone this, I can clearly see that this is obvtown and I know why I forgot that that this dude was town: he's actually managed to be so transparent that I lose interest in reading. Someone please scumread this dude so I can read. High 8.

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D1: Purrcocet --> Screenplay --> Kokichi --> Screenplay --> Nico --> Purrc --> Toranaga
D2: acryon --> wheme
D3: yt

Katsuki:
I was literally ignoring this slot the whole game. That earlier shit is tiring me so I'm not going to read the ISO first. Based on this first post I probably should have though. Offering to motivate is pretty good, although yt's flip would forebode some ulterior motives. I doubt that's what's going on though. Creature vote sucks, but whaddya gonna do. Reasonable response to the Taly accusation, as I kind of agreed the case was kinda weak for a deathtunnel. Light 5.

Voting pattern:
D1: Screen --> no lynch
D2: acryon --> whemestar
D3: creature --> yt

Mikasa Network:
I feel bad for I assume taking your anime. I struggle to write anything significant on this slot. Seems town because wtf would scum do with any of the abilities that they've revealed, but aside from the motivator, nothing is confirmed so it's possible that they're scum. Off of play alone, I don't find anything they've done to be actually like...relevant. Solid 3.

Voting pattern:
D1: acryon --> creature --> screen --> creature
D2: acryon --> wheme
D3: yt

Beeboy:
NAI. There's nothing to see here. Not Good.

Taly:
I don't like how this is starting out. The justification for kidnapping beeboy sucks, he wasn't wagoned at all. Literally just keychain and gif RVS voted him before he even posted. Katsuki case is super weak. The hype over keychain's last reads is a little bit ??? considering that based on those reads, I really doubt that's what he got lynched over. I'll assume the stance on this post has changed since then, especially given the flips we've since gotten. 1155 sucks and reads like "YES I CARE ABOUT TOWN COHESION. I CARE ABOUT GAMESOLVING. YES." He gets salty about acryon calling his vote a wisdom sheep (moving a vote from a strong scumread to a maybe one is a sheep btw). He makes a big deal over acryon not having a reason for voting tora but it was very obviously a policy lynch. Aside from beeboy I like the townpool they've got going on by page ~50.

The buddying is just off the charts in this ISO. 3/4ths through the ISO and I don't want to read anymore. The fact that this and beeboy are the scummiest slots to me make me feel icky and wrong, so I'm going to have to ~shudder~ talk to scumreads to actually sort them.

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D1:
D2:
D3:

{wisdom, creature, kidamn, Purrcocet}
{katsuki}
{acryon}
{mikasa, gif, beeboy}
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1. Why drop Katsuki scumread over unconfirmed role?
2. Opinion on gif and his role alignments.
3. Associatives based on YT's catch up?
4. Read on acryon?
5. How do you feel about Beeboy

Things to ask beeboy:
reads

Things to ask mikasa:
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no need to ask anything from gif if he's offered to die d5.
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:53 pm

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I forgot to finish vote records for taly >.>
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:56 pm

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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:56 pm

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Ok so I protected nos last night.

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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:57 pm

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In post 1636, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so I protected nos last night.

Discuss.
OK, so I protected
Wisdom
last night.

Discuss.
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

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I told you to discuss not outing your protect target

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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:59 pm

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I do want to hide what kind of protect role I am.
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

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In post 1636, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so I protected nos last night.

Discuss.
no idea why

did you think i was a potential vig target?
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

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I'm just gonna say that I knew what I was doing.
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:02 pm

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well clearly
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:04 pm

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I think we lynch GIF cause he is a vengeful claim.
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:07 pm

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that's for tomorrow innit?
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 1633, Nosferatu wrote:Taly:
I don't like how this is starting out.
fluff sentence.
In post 1633, Nosferatu wrote:The justification for kidnapping beeboy sucks, he wasn't wagoned at all.
Did you read my reasons? I believed
beeboy
was town off of first impressions, and it wasn't SOLELY to protect him.
Taly wrote:1) I think he was town, and even more likely to be town now.
2) By past experience as a Town Miller, I was not going to let Beeboy get shit-PLed.... I think town more likely claims this type of stuff upfront. But that's not a.fact I don't think, I just have 0 gamesense.
3) His wagon, even if RVS was stupid AF especially after claim.
Taly wrote:Also I think my reads are much more worthwhile because I wasn't thrown into the shitfest that was D1, versus my reads if I had not disappeared.

So I got a less a biased look of the game.
Since it's later in the game now, I'm going to say another reason why I protected
beeboy
was because of this.
In post 58, beeboy wrote:Claim miller.
In post 61, beeboy wrote:Yes I opted into that.
In post 62, beeboy wrote:My other options i thought did more later in the game.
I sincerely doubt that town would opt for anything to incriminate themselves early in the game. Furthermore,
beeboy
specifically stated that he had other roles, and I felt there was more to gain from him being alive and that he was more likely town.

It's not that deep.
Nosferatsu wrote:Literally just keychain and gif RVS voted him before he even posted.
Talking about my alignment partially based on RVS stuff is irrelevant at this point in the game.
Taly wrote: Katsuki case is super weak.
....So.... the only case against
Katsuki
was weak?

The only BULLETED case against
Katsuki
was weak?

Actually, maybe the only bulleted case in this game, weak?

Care to tell me why?
Taly wrote:Katsuki

((^^Death tunneling this shit, most likely.))

VOTE: Katsuki

1) Sxumclaimed and I honestly believe it
2) literally useless.
3) Voted Screen, didn't vote Toranga, nd wanted 2 lynches.
4) Upon not gaining the "correct" information, they didn't want a 2nd lynch AFTER VOTING FOR IT. Backtracking and giving wxcuses for poor decisions is not a Town mindset.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO XOMPLAIN ABOUT THE 2 LYNCH OPTION WHEN YOU COULD HAVE DIRECTLY HURT THE SCUMTEAM BY CHOOSING OPTION 3.

Katsuki Is my best guess for Toranga partner.
I'm waiting.
Nosferatsu" wrote:The hype over keychain's last reads is a little bit ??? considering that based on those reads, I really doubt that's what he got lynched over.
Have you read the game?

Keychain was NEVER lynched.

Keychain was NKed, and so his reads ARE very valuable, because that's probably the reason you shot him.

Nosferatu wrote:I'll assume the stance on this post has changed since then, especially given the flips we've since gotten. 1155 sucks and reads like "YES I CARE ABOUT TOWN COHESION. I CARE ABOUT GAMESOLVING. YES."
Ummm.....

Because town-town working together destroys scum?
In post 1155, Taly wrote:I would switch to Acryon to get in sync eith you

But Katsukis ISO and game approach is really, really bad. And I don't want him to last to lylo. If he's not lynched now I don't know if people will lynch later

So Wisdom.
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Acryon flips scum?

What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips town?
What do you think we learn IF Katsuki flips scum?

^^These questions are for anyone who cares about gamesolving and town cohesion
Also, answers to these questions are VERY handy in referencing later for better refined reads. Your argument of me "fake-helping" isn't valid at all because I genuinely worked toward siding with someone I was feeling more likely to be town progressively.
Nosferatu wrote: He gets salty about acryon calling his vote a wisdom sheep (moving a vote from a strong scumread to a maybe one is a sheep btw).
Yeah, I was salty that my vote was boiled down to a sheep to
Wisdom
because that was a MISREP.
Nosferatsu wrote:He makes a big deal over acryon not having a reason for voting tora but it was very obviously a policy lynch.
LOL... You said
Toranga
and policy lynch in the same sentence.

And yeah, I did raise that as a point of me suspecting
acryon
because he was my strongest scumread at that moment
.
Nosferatsu wrote:Aside from beeboy I like the townpool they've got going on by page ~50.
"Haha! This townpool is GREAT because I KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN IT, ARE TOWN, AS A FACT!"

Nosferatu wrote:The buddying is just off the charts in this ISO. 3/4ths through the ISO and I don't want to read anymore. The fact that this and beeboy are the scummiest slots to me make me feel icky and wrong, so I'm going to have to ~shudder~ talk to scumreads to actually sort them.
You are not allowed to cast transparent suspicion on
beeboy
, that shit's unacceptable.

And well, maybe I am buddying with people, because I'm trying to figure out who's town and who's scum?

Maybe if YOU tried doing that, you wouldn't have only lynched ONE scum this game.

Oh, wait - I meant bussed the PL that was
Toranga
, right?

Nosferatu wrote: {wisdom, creature, kidamn, Purrcocet}
{katsuki}
{acryon}
{mikasa, gif, beeboy}
{Taly}

predictions for the night:
kills are in {wisdom, kidamn, katsuki, taly (if I'm wrong)}

Things to ask Taly:
1. Why drop Katsuki scumread over unconfirmed role?
2. Opinion on gif and his role alignments.
3. Associatives based on YT's catch up?
4. Read on acryon?
5. How do you feel about Beeboy
1)
Because
Wisdom
was near conftown to me based off play and him actually thinking like a sensible person. Plus, I figured my push on
Katsuki
wasn't the best in terms of case structure, and I had a gut feeling that I was pushing town.
2)
GiF
... I don't know at this point, honestly.
*shrug*
I'll look at him if your scumflip won't win town the game.
3)
Um... You could be associated to
YT
because you literally said he was town for no reason and you never entertained him being scum? and
4)
acryon
is probably town due to PoE at this point, but regardless, you're flipping scum and it's happening now.
5)
beeboy
is still one of my strongest townreads, I really can't think of a reality where he is scum at this point.
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:22 pm

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In post 1636, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so I protected nos last night.

Discuss.
In post 1638, GuyInFreezer wrote:I told you to discuss not outing your protect target

Not that it matters
If
Nos
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:25 pm

Post by Taly »

Nos
, the entire composition of your "notes" against me are 100% scum-motivated.

1)
You NEVER mentioned me as a potential scumread to you prior.
2)
I'm an obvious NK target in one of your lists, but since you're too busy wanting to kill off
Wisdom
, I'm easiest to be mislynchbait due to WIFOM.
3)
Your reasons against me are mediocre, at best.
4)
You never voted the other 2 flipped scum,
Wheme/YT
, and you quickly voted on the
Toranga
when it become popular... you have associatives to them. Blatant ones.
5)
Which leads me to the final point, where's associative of ME being scum with
Toranga/Wheme/YT
?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:26 pm

Post by Taly »

If you tell me I'm scum with
beeboy
I will make ALL my posts have a vote onto you until your lynch has been concealed.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2018 4:28 pm

Post by Taly »

:roll: It's late for me right now, and I don't have time to rebuttal weak arguments.

I'll get to this in the morning.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage

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