Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[Sando]

Skitter30 and Ruby and Pine

+Sandizzle

Pretty sure all I'm good for is single handedly losing the game D1 apparently

[the worst]

I'm a lot more concerned with sorting the mafia tbh

Skitter30 and Ruby and Pine

+Sandizzle

Pretty sure all I'm good for is single handedly losing the game D1 apparently

still love u tho
also answer my question!!!

[Sando]

still love u tho
also answer my question!!!

Mafia is most likely on the AP wagon, we've achieved a lot of sorting today regardless, it's just that people won't actually think about this logically yet.

I mean me winning the game for town wasn't what was holding us back in 720, that was the easy bit...but I don't appear to have the same "quality" of players here so yeah we can get a town win out of this

[the worst]

still love u tho
also answer my question!!!

Mafia is most likely on the AP wagon, we've achieved a lot of sorting today regardless, it's just that people won't actually think about this logically yet.

I mean me winning the game for town wasn't what was holding us back in 720, that was the easy bit...but I don't appear to have the same "quality" of players here so yeah we can get a town win out of this

buuurrrnnnnnn
if I call someone obvious town don't lynch them >:

[the worst]

Ok fine I'll take it if you pinkie promise

[Sando]

if I call someone obvious town don't lynch them >:

Who's obv-town that you think I'm gonna lynch?

One thing you can't accuse me of is being good at leading a lynch anyway, so you probably don't need to stress about me there

[skitter30]

I think that UD is almost for sure some flavor of scum, but never with AP, so that points to mafia.

I still think sando is a viable UD partner (yes I'm aware that you don't think it's likely, but I've already explained why I don't think that your defense is particularly strong)

If NM isn't a wolf he could be scum

Pine is my second-best bet for a wolf

I'm really not comfortable calling rubyred town here. I have no idea what flavor of scum they'd be. I suppose since I have like no townreads they can be probationary town on PoE or something.

I don't think cj is an ap partner, and he's never scum with pintu like ever, so I guess he can be town too

fumuki is still probably town.

pine and sando are never partners here

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Okay, AP, I have a plan. I's a good one, too.

We tell everyone that it's a full moon tonight and the moon is about to come up. Then, we watch the reactions of everyone here. If someone seems nervous and starts trying to get out, we lynch them.

What do you think?

Given that Ap is a werewolf, this is actually a really weird post in retrospect

OK, serious read.. duckling is town

So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw

Next..

AP and I have a mental connection at this point because this is also my town block. If I was about 20 years older, I'd guess we were twins separated at birth.

I'm also giving UglyDuck a probationary membership into my townblock based on the word of a full member of my townblock, though.

Do partners say this?

[Sando]

I think that UD is almost for sure some flavor of scum, but never with AP, so that points to mafia.

Why have you been pushing for UD to die today then?

[skitter30]

I haven't?

What are you talking about?

I've been saying I want AP lynched today the whole time

[skitter30]

Again why did you focus on the bit about UD ???

[Sando]

If it isn't AP I want it to be one of {UD/Sando/Pine/NM}.

Because of this.

You're floundering here. AP is a pointless lynch since we have all the information on him and you've acknowledged here that you at least have a passing understanding of that.

I've been pointing out for a few IRL days now that lynching UD is bad since he's highly unlikely to be the WW, and you agree he's unlikely to be WW yet still list him as a prime non-AP lynch. This shows lack of understanding of why that matters, since it's bad for town to lynch someone we're very sure isn't WW since we then give up any possibility of having the wolves dead EOD tomorrow.

You're throwing shade at AP, and I'm starting to think it's distancing, whilst also going along with his anti-town plan without acknowledging that fact.

[skitter30]

Did you like not read the qualifier or something?

'If it isn't AP' -> AP is still my ideal choice. If tw does'nt want to lynch him, I'm fine with any of those people, because I think they're scum. I think that TW should decide how the lynch goes today cuz he's the one dead tonight if we don't get with AP's plan. But I've been personally advocating for an AP lynch literally the whole day. If anything, you've been advocating pushing off lynching him tomorrow while I argued against you that the AP lynch should happen today, so I have no idea what you'er talking about.

In the context of AP's plan, mafia would be the alternative lynch, and I think that's you/UD. I still think lynching a wolf is better today - AP + one of {pine/nm}

I list a pool of four people, so again, why are you acting like I'm specifically pushing UD when I didn't specify which one I preferred.

I don't get where or why I'm floundering.

I've loudly and repeatedly said that I don't think his plan is optimal but that I think that the worst ought to decide.

And are you seriously positing that I'm a wolf here?

[skitter30]

I feel like you're going to have a long response to that - I need to do more hw now but I'll check back in a few hours

[Sando]

I list a pool of four people, so again, why are you acting like I'm specifically pushing UD when I didn't specify which one I preferred.

Yes I'm specifically positing that you're wolf here.

Another person listed as me, and following logic I'm also clearly not wolf here. So that's 50% right there that you think we should potentially lynch if AP isn't the option who are very unlikely to flip wolf, as anyone looking at this with any degree of reasoning would conclude. That's a bad outcome for town.

You're not using reasoning based on the information before you. It's either townie refusing to adjust their thinking, or it's scum looking to take advantage of the situation. Due to the refusal of you to even acknowledge that lynching people who are basically conf!not-wolf is a bad idea for town here is telling me it's scum motivated rather than town.

[the worst]

Wrt MWNN probably not, he doesn't like scum. Was just moon logic.

VOTE: AP sorry buddy the tribe has spoken

[the worst]

L-1 I think

[skitter30]

OK, for me to be a wolf, I'd have to:

-> not kill the seer that I identified yesterday

-> start the day casing my partner and try to start a wagon on him (*before* the seer outed a guilty on him)

-> chide the suspected seer (who incidentally has a guilty on my partner) for not voting my partner

-> side with the seer when he wants to lynch my partner

-> loudly go against my partner's plan wrt him not getting lynched today

This makes sense for me to do because ... ?

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Another person listed as me, and following logic I'm also clearly not wolf here. So that's 50% right there that you think we should potentially lynch if AP

isn't the option who are very unlikely to flip wolf, as anyone looking at this with any degree of reasoning would conclude. That's a bad outcome for town.

I don't know what the bolded means.

TW wants to do AP's plan. Under that plan we want to hit mafia today. Imo that's you or UD. Are you trying to defend UD not being scum on the basis that you're not or something?

You're trying to argue that I'm pushing anti-town things by supporting this plan. This isn't true. I don't think this plan is optimal, and I said that multiple times. I don't want to do it. I want to lynch the guilty. I *also* think that TW gets the final decision cuz he's the one dead tonight if we hit mafia today, and if *he* wants to do this, those are my picks.

I don't actually want to do this.

I feel like you're either not understanding this nuance or deliberately not understanding this nuance.

I'm advocating for lynching the guilty but I think that TW should get to decide and if he doesn't want to do that, those are the people I think have the best bet for flipping mafia. If we want to lynch non-AP wolves, I think that's NM or Pine.

You're not using reasoning based on the information before you. It's either townie refusing to adjust their thinking, or it's scum looking to take advantage of the situation. D

ue to the refusal of you to even acknowledge that lynching people who are basically conf!not-wolf is a bad idea for town here is telling me it's scum motivated rather than town.

I've acknowledged that it's bad for town like six billion times; I have no idea where you're getting this from. It's like all over my ISO; I think that not-lynching the wolf puts town in a potentially bad position day4.

I don't know how else to say that. I want to lynch the guilty. I think that tw gets to decide who we should lynch though and if he wants mafia that would be you or UD. I don't actually want to do that.

[skitter30]

Wrt MWNN probably not, he doesn't like scum. Was just moon logic.

VOTE: AP sorry buddy the tribe has spoken

No I'm pretty sure that's hammer

[the worst]

uh gut says you/sando tvt
Ruby basically how I'd expect ruby to behave in MB (same discomfort d1 I had plus good slot)
NM still strong read for AP partner
Pine probtown
Maybe ok with lynching anyone else off the top of my head

[the worst]

Mixed up slots. RR could be scum, but will be easier to work out later. PINE is in a great slot.

[the worst]

Fugglez/Fumuki can be scum. I'm always suspicious of actual enthusiasm in mb. Except coming from skitter as she has s good track record for it

[the worst]

Scum is on AP wagon 100% of the time. Coinflippy whether they bus or not but like hey mafia literally HAVE to be on it.

[the worst]

Yankee's push on me was so fucking stupid
Everyone else's were probably warranted as I was being a scumbutt

[the worst]

Actually kinda TR draynth on re-read but I always tr draynth so take that with a grain of salt

He didn't feel as awkward as his scumgame does

[Sando]

Scum is on AP wagon 100% of the time. Coinflippy whether they bus or not but like hey mafia literally HAVE to be on it.

What's the wolf-partner do with the AP wagon you think?