Micro 808: Kids With Guns - ROLL CREDITS (FIN)

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VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers
I despise jumbles of letters.

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I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

Prove it, or I shoot you N1.

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Yes.

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Hey Vulcan, you know who this is, right?
Also, I *hardclaim* 1-Shot Vig.

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VOTE: 1234567890

For
1) having no clear nickname (123?)
2) softclaiming page 1--follow fire's example and hard fakeclaim
3) being scum (maybe?) (hopefully?)

VOTE: 1234567890

i despise jumbles of numbers.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers
I despise jumbles of letters.

VOTE: 123456789

Not cool.

Interesting...

VOTE: 123456789
VOTE: 123456789
VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNunbers

Ah, I see: I’m not 123_456_7890 (with the underscores removed); I am 123456789.

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Unofficial

VC 1.2 Unofficial #2

123456789(3)

~ NotAJumbleOfNumbers(2), PenguinPower(1), vulcan logician(1)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers(2)

~ 123456789(5), Not_Mafia(2)

vulcan logician(1)

~ TheRampage(1)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ Blackstar(2)


Not Voting (1): FireBringer(1)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

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Tyty.
I am fine with people posting unofficial vcs, just make sure it says unofficial.

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PSA: I'm playing from a tablet. I hate this thing with a passion.

I haven't the foggiest who you are, 123, but I actually buy your hardclaim. Unless anyone cares to CC that is.
UNVOTE: 123456789

So who are you? Or are you just gonna toy with me?

Check my wiki page.

Same goes for you @TheRampage.

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I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

What reasons?

Ah, I see: I’m not 123_456_7890 (with the underscores removed); I am 123456789.

I knew that, I just slid my finger over the keyboard while typing your name and I acccidentally typed “0” with it too.

Hey Vulcan, you know who this is, right?
Also, I *hardclaim* 1-Shot Vig.

UNVOTE: 123456789 But a hardclaim this early into the game? Why?

Because I’m 1-Shot, so surviving isn’t that important.

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I mean, why shouldn’t I claim? It gives another innocent D1.

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I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

I like your avatar

ty, i liked one of your older ones better than this one but this one is alright.

I am the innocent child but I refuse to reveal because reasons

Prove it, or I shoot you N1.

have fun people yelling at you post game for gamethrowing

I don’t care about post-game; you have yourself to blame for it.

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Okay.
VOTE: Fire

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If your assessment is correct, Rampage, then the actual IC should activate right now and give us 100% certainty fire is fakeclaiming. Then we lynch him. One scum down on page 2.

As it stands, though, it seems quite implausible that scum would have fakeclaiming IC in mind as a strat because of ^^^.

Rampage, even if such a gambit worked as advertised, it would be a shit move for scum.

What if they wanted the vig outted?

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Here is my thing Vulcan, we have 2 hard claims and if they are actual hard claims, that is the dumbest thing ever because it will cause the scum to kill right away the 2 townies we might need. I can almost understand Vig hard claiming if he was a threat, but remember that scum can get a day kill as well by killing themselves and another player at any time. So right now, if the IC claims, the scum can insta kill the vig and then be at 5 to 1, we mislynch today, they kill the IC and then we are at 4 to 1, if we mislynch again, then we are at 3 to 1 going into night 2, then day 3 we go to 2 to 1. and if we mislynch we lose. So yeah, it is stupid for the IC to out. And honestly Vulcan, I feel it scummy that you even suggested the IC should out this early cause he would be insta killed for sure. In fact, I just had an idea. I think you are scum cause it would be awesome to know one of the power roles for sure. Cause while it may be true that it was an RVS claim, what is true is that you are willing to see the IC, which is only strong in a 2 - 1 lylo situation, to out day one to get himself killed. Bad form Vulcan, but thanks for stepping in that trap.

VOTE: Vulcan

Bad vote; Vulcan is town here.

And for your information, scum do not exactly benefit from suicide bombing as they lose a member. It is esp. a bad trade against the innocent child as then scum is basically losing a member to take out a confirmed innocent that could have easily been night-killed.

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Oh, and Rampage is town as well; I've seen his abominable (just joking) town game before.

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Rampage, please go back to voting Firebringer.

We could also vote Not_Mafia who has yet to do anything useful.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Vulcan, Blackstar, please join me on this glorious, scum-filled wagon!

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With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

(Noting that we're at evens; thus, the vig SHOULD shoot tonight.)

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You're probably scum fakeclaiming try to draw out the vig, so yeah...

Pedit: Yes.

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I noted that more as a "Don't shoot the vig" post.

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*lynch the vig.

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Nope.

If I was, the town vig can shoot me Night 1. But that isn't the case here.

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If you think I am fakeclaiming, why aren't you voting me?

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And obviously, there is a 10% chance that you are wrong, so......................

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I'll give you a hint: I don't fakeclaim as either alignment.

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Aka, I'm not fakeclaiming here.

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Because you are assuming I'm fakeclaiming; that's why.

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(I can, and I will strongarm a lynch on the fakeclaiming IC though...)

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I do claim scum as both alignments though.

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@Fire:

I can't shoot you during the day. But fine; who do we lynch in that case? BlackStar? Not_Mafia?

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Hmmm... Then who?

I have Rampage and Vulcan as town...

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Hi

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Sorry Korina, I needed the page top.

[X]
-Kor

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NM: No scumread s?

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Vulcan is town; I've recently played a game with him, and he kinda registers as the kind of person with more surface-level reads. Like, I think he has potential, but I also think there is somewhat an element of lynchbait to him.

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Vulcan is town; I've recently played a game with him, and he kinda registers as the kind of person with more surface-level reads. Like, I think he has potential, but I also think there is somewhat an element of lynchbait to him.

This is surface level read of him

Suit yourself; I would not be in favor of lynching Vulcan at the moment. Explain to me why you think his posts are bad?

I could lynch BlackStar, Not_Mafia, or NotAJumbleOfNumbers rn. (And technically you hence why my vote hasn't moved, but I'm willing to lynch elsewhere.)

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UNOFFICIAL VC

UNOFFICIAL Votecount 1.33

FireBringer(3)

~ TheRampage(9), 123456789(37), Blackstar(10)

vulcan logician(1)

~ FireBringer(17)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers(1)

~ Not_Mafia(7)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ PenguinPower(5)


Not Voting (2): NotAJumbleOfNumbers(5), vulcan logician(5)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-06-18 16:04:00)

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Please correct me if the VC is wrong. I haven’t checked, but I feel like it’s wrong somehow. (From Korina.)

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Also not understanding not mafia wagon

He literally hasn’t done anything one way or another to determine alignment

BlackStar maybe, he seemed to be giving way more words to justify his vote on me than he really needed to which felt scummy

Exactly, but okay, we'll go with BlackStar I guess....

VOTE: BlackStar

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I townread 123456789 and rampage

Also not understanding not mafia wagon
He literally hasn’t done anything one way or another to determine alignment

BlackStar maybe, he seemed to be giving way more words to justify his vote on me than he really needed to which felt scummy

Only the last sentence was the explanation of why I was voting you. Did you even read it?

Why do you townread me? Or is it because of my claim?

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But only the last sentence is about why I'm voting you. the rest was answering his questions

I would figure the rest though factors into your vote.

Pedit: Okay.......

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I think we'll be able to easily sort Vulcan, so maybe that's the extra town you need to gamesolve.

(Also, I'm 123456789; please refer to me as such.)

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Why not this:
If you are vig, you shoot me.
If you aren’t vig, vig shoots you

Because of this @Fire.

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123, why do you scumread me?

About 80% PoE and 18% gut.

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Unofficial Votecount 1.33

FireBringer(2)

~ TheRampage(9), Blackstar(14)

vulcan logician(1)

~ FireBringer(28)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers(1)

~ Not_Mafia(8)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ PenguinPower(6)

Blackstar(1)

~ 123456789(44)


Not Voting (2): NotAJumbleOfNumbers(5), vulcan logician(5)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-06-18 16:04:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Please correct me if the VC is wrong. I haven’t checked, but I feel like it’s wrong somehow. (From Korina.)

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BlackStar ur tone is just really wonky rn

I was asking 123. And wonky how?

Pedit: you had me as scum from like the first page. Or am I confusing you with rampage?

I just checked; no one was really scumreading you there. So I have no idea what you are talking about...

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123, why do you scumread me?

About 80% PoE and 18% gut.

What's the other 2%?

Secret stuff

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123, why do you scumread me?

About 80% PoE and 18% gut.

What's the other 2%?

Why haven't u gotten in my pocket, is ur username a lie this game?

Who says I'm not there?

Firebringer does.

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VOTE: NotAJumble

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Holding that thought until I see people's responses to my replace-in.

I don't see what kind of response you are looking for???

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An unvote...?

123 said earlier that he wouldn't mind lynching not_mafia. Yet he didn't care at all that not_mafia was voting for your slot and he joined the wagon. I don't see why he would do that unless he was actually partners with nm and was just do standing when he said he wouldn't mind lynching him. So if they're scum together, then that would make you town. I'm not 100% convinced on this whole thing though

I don't vote predominantly based on the wagon composition......

@S_S: Sure, NotAJumble isn't as scummy after the replace-out, but that doesn't mean I should just change my vote willy-nilly esp. considering that you are not in danger of being lynched......

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Not_Mafia, get in here and do something

useful

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I want to lynch Smart --> Not_Mafia --> Penguin --> Firebringer right now.

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Whoops, sorry:

Smart --> Not_Mafia --> BlackStar --> Penguin --> Firebringer.

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And relevant to the game.

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Because not_mafia is always useless regardless of alignment, so I can't fault him for that.

On the other hand, while it is largely due to an incompatibility to mafia (the game), I feel that NotAJumble would feel less likely to get involved in the game as mafia because they are paranoid of being judged by what they do negatively; it's not the strongest argument, but I think it is one of the better reads.

Vulcan and Rampage are town for meta reasons (though limited in scope to 1 game...).

I'm gonna vig Firebringer tonight, so there is no need to lynch there.

BlackStar is at least engaged in the game.

I honestly don't know about Penguin, but they tend to be a bit on the lurky/"casual" side of mafia as well as both alignments (I think).

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That's good because it's an absolutely ridiculous line of reasoning.

So its normal to vote with people you scum read?

That's not at all what Smart said....

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Wait, nvm, continue.

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It's not a meta read because I didn't ascribe alignment to you; it's just an impression read which is slightly different; it is a way of me saying that I think X is how you play the game (without actually knowing.)

Pedit: Scum could be bussing; it's not like scum

never

vote their scumbuddies, so I still don't see your point.

Pedit2: Newbies replace out all the time when the roll scum. Someone go find the Matrix6 stats page by Toomai; I'm pretty sure he documents that there.

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Pedit2: Newbies replace out all the time when the roll scum. Someone go find the Matrix6 stats page by Toomai; I'm pretty sure he documents that there.

46.8% as town; 56.3% as scum.

Do you find that to be statistically significant in this singular situation given the rationale provided?

No, it's not necessarily statistically significant, but statistical significance isn't always the important thing; 56.3% is still a good percentage over 50% especially when you consider the sample size.

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Null hypothesis: newbies are equally likely to replace out as either town or scum.
Alternative hypothesis: newbies are more likely to replace out as scum than as town.

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No.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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I just got argued against on that point, so........

Pedit: Okay
VOTE: Something_Smart

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You realize, with a large enough sample size, even a meaningless 0.01% deviation from normal is statistically significant. Whereas with a small sample size, there could be say a 30% deviation from normal yet not be statistically significant. Indeed, a failure to reject the null DOES NOT MEAN that the alternative is false; it just means there is not enough data to (statistically) reject the null in favor of the alternative.

I actually do think the replace out rate may actually be statistically significant from the sample size, but I cannot verify that at the moment.

Pedit: Less than half of newbies replace out in Matrix6:
Town Newbies 38.9% 46.8%
Scum Newbies 43.5% 56.3%
Total Newbies 39.9% 48.9%

All town 31.7% 37.4%
All scum 35.5% 43.9%
All players 32.6% 38.9%

That seems like a pretty major difference to me.

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Fine.

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And it seems that you still think my slot is the scummiest. How come?

(I also didn't really like your first couple of posts either, esp. the part about guaging how people reacted to your replace-in, so........)

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Hey @Mod, why did you bump the thread at 9:44 pm?

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It alters timestamps, so you shouldn't.

Note taken
-Kor

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zzzz.... Can this day end.... zzz......

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50%.

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Suicide Bomb: Firebringer

Bye ya'll!

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