Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Vecna]

I mean, maybe Mastina just added it to fuck with us

[Yuurei]

If the conclusion is to ignore it until it's more relevant, then how is it not useless.

it's relevant doesn't matter what, but not exactly now.

if we need to lynch the

species

werewolves, alignment isn't as meaningful as we would like it to be, although it's optimal to first lynch the "bad werewolves" before the supposedly "townie werewolves".

if we need to lynch the

faction

werewolves, being human doesn't mean

anything

.

if a faction doesn't determine your species, it means that the Town might very well have werewolves, and the werewolves faction might very well have humans.

The question is whether we should look for a faction, or a species. But even if we need to look for a species, we still need to consider that species likely faction by associatives because for example, it's optimal to lynch "bad werewolves" first instead of the townie ones that can have a power role.

honestly, i'm praying that i'm utterly wrong, because this game is really confusing if what i'm saying is the truth.

[Ankamius]

If the conclusion is to ignore it until it's more relevant, then how is it not useless.

it's relevant doesn't matter what, but not exactly now.

so basically you're saying to ignore it until it's more relevant

[RadiantCowbells]

what that probably means is town has a seer that detects human/non-human and scum have someone human and possibly town has a miller (sympathetic werewolf) kind of deal

[RadiantCowbells]

like I originally thought human was the equivalent of like town, not something that had specific game effects, but that was probably wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

yeah 'werewolves' at the end is given as a scum faction whereas 'town' seperate from human is given as the town faction: that wincon does heavily imply non-human town members.

[Almost50]

OK, so there are double roles on the town side? One that is Human and one that is a WW "who cares"?? Is that what you guys are saying or am I misunderstanding?

[Yuurei]

OK, so there are double roles on the town side? One that is Human and one that is a WW "who cares"?? Is that what you guys are saying or am I misunderstanding?

yeah, there is some other things that comes with the fact species=/=alignment but in a basic level yes, it's as you said.

There's probably humans in the werewolf faction as well.

The plan is to probably lynch the werewolves from the werewolf faction and from any other faction that there may exist, and when we're done, proceed to lynch the werewolves in the town faction (that at that point should probably claim by themselves and get policy lynched).

The basic concept is the same, but there is some differences, and they are hell confusing.

For example, in theory, lynching werewolves of any kind should be beneficial, but if the first werewolves lynched are from town, we're making the scum

faction

get closer to majority anyway, and that's why we need first lynch the werewolves that aren't from town.

"Lynch the Wolves" is a good name for this setup indeed.

In any case, we're back to normal scum hunting for now.

[RadiantCowbells]

what if werewolves is the name of the faction and wolf is the name of the race

aka you don't have to lynch town wolves if any

[Theta Alpine]

all of these questions are fairly useless until we see another wincon flip

[hebichan]

I'm more interested in the mathblade v luna thing here and I feel we got a bit distracted.

Understandable, but we don't have role flips (and my role gives nothing to add to this conversation personally).

[Theta Alpine]

i am trying to figure out what exactly happened with regards to math v luna
having a counterclaim retracted is a little odd but in this case is probably nai

as for having two similar roles in an 18p setup it is definitely possible
definitely not used to having to ask these questions day one though
the thing about a neighborizer claim is it is easy in theory to prove though it is also nai as far as roles go

[hebichan]

I guess the question really is, do you think luna scumslipped?

[Aronis]

I don't agree to a species massclaim

It could just as easily out our strongest PRs or something else as much as not.

Ankamius, we need to get rid of

werewolves

. "scum" are

werewolves

here,

even if they are from the same alignment that us

.

it's less to do with alignment and more to do with being human or werewolf, get it? that's why depending of what the mod says, it's important to make the massclaim and see if there is werewolves aligned with the town and policy lynch them.

in other words, if there's werewolves in "the Town", alignment has way less to do with anything. For example, as absurd as it sounds, if there is a human aligned with the "faction werewolves", we may not even need to kill them. All depending of how mastina replies my question.

that's...crazy...i know. but it's how i'm interpreting things here. species is just as important as alignment.

however, now that i think about it more carefully, it's better to not claim in

day 1

, and let to massclaim "human" or "non-human" when we get rid of the werewolves aligned with the possible "faction werewolves".

Because the "faction werewolves" very probably has a night kill and will use it to kill town, but we don't know if the town aligned werewolves are some kind of vigilantes with night kill and even if they aren't, we can simply massclaim

after

getting rid of the faction of werewolves.

This sounds like a horrible idea.

[Creature]

What happened while I was hibernating?

[Creature]

Oh wait, I have no voice this game.

[Creature]

Gonna say stuff no one will care about

[Creature]

HeWhoSwims is scum and obviously can die

[Creature]

Luna Nova is probably flipping town, but what I can do?

[Creature]

Someone please tell me TGP is being replaced.

[Creature]

I don't have reasons to townread any of Math and RC.

[Creature]

Vecna used to be better...

[Creature]

Math is my strongest town read.

*cold feet*

[Creature]

Wished ArcAngel was more active.

I still townread her though.

[Creature]

Wished I could post more to keep my sequence but I have to get busy a little.