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[PenguinPower]

questions you'd like answered first? meaning one question?
i'm waiting for Taly to return before i answer.

Um...pretty clear what I mean. What was the point of this beyond delaying your answer?

[Taly]

I just read the first half of the game on my lunch break. I concur that Penguin looks like scum

Details, reasons?

Did I say we should kill off lurkers?

Im saying its going to happen naturally if we dont prevent it. Sometimes maybe we will not be able to reach a consensus, and come to a compromise on a lurker.


As far as WHY to start with thebrawlguy, I feel he his claim/fake claim had TMI in it, and if its real, it HAS to be a scum role and I think he didnt think it through very well.

36 looks like a shitpost to me, what makes you think his "claim" has validity? If that's the post you're looking at.

44 - what do you think about the follow-up to you, here?

I just read the first half of the game on my lunch break. I concur that Penguin looks like scum

That's boring. Any other reads?

Shoshin's

probably one of my most solid townreads at the moment.

Like, part of this is soul, and part of this townread I can case for.

EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

No

If you're going to say "no" then give a reason or suggest an alternative route.

The only reads I'm seeing that people have generally agreed with have come pretty easily and without much evolving information.

(Townreads on the worst/Chara and Scumreads on DeasVail/Screenplay - as a FEW examples.

Other than that, there's not a lot of cohesion, and I get that this is only D1, but in this setup - it's vital.

I’m on vacation. I’m just trying to read enough to not be behind.
We still have time I’ll be back from vacation Monday.


TBG. I just finished a game with him. We were both town. I got tunnel vision on him and don’t want to do it again. His posts now feel the same as last game. So I don’t plan on giving him a zero.

I'm not so sure with

the worst

-town in actuality, but he is still a townread in general.

Their caution with me is warranted, I guess

((he's only had completed games with me where I deepwolfed as scum and fooled him))

, but I don't know how if it's 100% sincere or for an agenda, yet.

When I make my next readslist, I'm going to ISO them and look at their interactions.

[Taly]

Yeah, I don't quite get this post...

That is OK you don't have to

Not enough readable content and his v/la is prejudicing my read so gonna need a bit of time

also FTR other people scumreading srceen makes me want to townread him lol.

I relate to this a lot, the

"want to townread the scumread"

thing

Town
ReubenWasFine
NicoRobin
VaxKiller

Free square

Shoshin
Chara
Punreader
Scum

If you landed on the free square, you may be given a high or low number. This may already be decided.

I forgot you were in this game, tbh.

Your reads have no explanation, so I can't follow them that well.

I mean, I get why people scum read me given my scum meta, but I hate D1 to being with and there being no voting mechanism is fairly offputting.

This reads like an excuse.

Nobody's stopping you from voting right now, faux votes are legal.

I think Dan so far has posted inconclusively and isn't actively oriented in the game, and I think that's a sign of scum.

PenguinPower has not contributed and they're one of the least notable people in the game so far. I think that could also be scum.

Get the inactivity read, but why leave out Pine, NicoRobin, Punreader, ReubenWasFine, Dunnstral...

Find it interesting these weren't among your stated lowest scores, particularly Nico and Reuben.

Pun's

a solid townread. ISO me and I've made multiple posts here.

I'm engaging with

Pine

? He just replaced into a slot who I already forgot who the predecessor was, it wasn't that memorable. When I have a read there, I'll let ya know.

Honestly, I just realized

Reuben's

in this game and I don't know them. Their latest post had some substance.

Dunn

is someone I'm not sure yet. I don't know what's the most optimal way to approach his claim revolving around

Vax, Fire, and Espe

.

Plus, I can only give so many low scores mechanically... and so many faux votes before the thread's cluttered from my pushes and I lose the ability to filter info because of it. I'm gamesolving methodically.

You've made posts since 46. The majoriy of your ISO (which is half) up until your 264 is you talking about why you want to lynch and discussing things that aren't very relevant to the gamestate. It's already noted that voting is a viable option to play here.

I really don't know where your heads at because you haven't really given reads, and you've had minimal content in conjunction with this. It's not based solely on your activity.

[Taly]

PP can be town for today ill he will end up with a 7 or something

Why is

PP

town to you...?

Ugh

Also, it annoys me that people often say they don't know how to read me. That just sets me up for WIFOM later which happens a lot.

well, that won't be a problem here, seeing as you're town.

Yeah-yeah, I'd like to hear why you think that.

I mean, you're not wrong, but still.

Ugh

Also, it annoys me that people often say they don't know how to read me. That just sets me up for WIFOM later which happens a lot.

well, that won't be a problem here, seeing as you're town.

what makes you say that so confidently?

what makes you say that so confidently?

I agree with the duck.

Is it weird to have a confident read on me?

because I'm much more thankful for that than the BS

"putting

Taly

in the middle"

thing that some people in this game like doing.

[Taly]

I'm currently one of the most vocal people in this game

The fact that my alignment or the conclusion of my alignment being questionable makes me feel a little uneasy.

I think I'd rather be scumread than be neutral/null. At least with a scumread, there's not this passive

"muddy the waters"

thinking on my slot.

There's more to work with when someone has an opinion or defined read on you.

I just think scum looks at me and thinks

"hmmm, this is an easy person to cast uncertainty on"

[PenguinPower]

This reads like an excuse.

Nobody's stopping you from voting right now, faux votes are legal.

And have no impact, so are worthless.

Is it weird to have a confident read on me?

An unsubstantiated townread...yeah? P sure you just asked for rationale above, so why ask me about it?

[PenguinPower]

I'm currently one of the most vocal people in this game

The fact that my alignment or the conclusion of my alignment being questionable makes me feel a little uneasy.

I think I'd rather be scumread than be neutral/null. At least with a scumread, there's not this passive

"muddy the waters"

thinking on my slot.

There's more to work with when someone has an opinion or defined read on you.

I just think scum looks at me and thinks

"hmmm, this is an easy person to cast uncertainty on"

We're 12 pages in with a lot of low content slots (myself included). The fact that you are vocal means nothing in terms of alignment right.

Oh, previous thing I should have asked...why is Punread a strong townread?

[Taly]

This reads like an excuse.

Nobody's stopping you from voting right now, faux votes are legal.

And have no impact, so are worthless.

Then why are you even bringing up votes? If you think there's no point, you're not adding to the discussion by saying

"I want this, but we can't have this"

And if you think votes are worthless, I'm voting you, and is it not catching your attention?

An unsubstantiated townread...yeah? P sure you just asked for rationale above, so why ask me about it?

Because I'm looking to see if you're trying to genuinely figure out my alignment, or trying to make a townread on me seem unusual or unwarranted.

I'm currently one of the most vocal people in this game

The fact that my alignment or the conclusion of my alignment being questionable makes me feel a little uneasy.

I think I'd rather be scumread than be neutral/null. At least with a scumread, there's not this passive

"muddy the waters"

thinking on my slot.

There's more to work with when someone has an opinion or defined read on you.

I just think scum looks at me and thinks

"hmmm, this is an easy person to cast uncertainty on"

We're 12 pages in with a lot of low content slots (myself included). The fact that you are vocal means nothing in terms of alignment right.

Oh, previous thing I should have asked...why is Punread a strong townread?

Yeah, being vocal doesn't necessarily indicate town or scum in of itself.

But since I am being very present in the thread, I'm a little weary of people giving unclear evaluations on me, unless there's a stated reason.

Pun's

town to me because:

1)

I still think their claim would potentially come more from town.

2)

Curious about everyone else questioning the claim.

3)

When he's present, he engages with multiple people at once, drawing focus onto himself.

4)

Questions reads on him and gives valid counterstances that help improve the perception of another player.

I want to see them post more, but these are the reasons I'm thinking of so far that suggest they're town.

[Taly]

I think I'm clogging up the thread and it's getting late right now for me. :/

I'm going to think about my reads tomorrow and probably post them soon.

[PenguinPower]

Then why are you even bringing up votes? If you think there's no point, you're not adding to the discussion by saying "I want this, but we can't have this"

And if you think votes are worthless, I'm voting you, and is it not catching your attention?

I said I wanted a system to vote, not the standard voting system. I don't really care that you have voted me since it means naught.

VOTE: Taly

Because I'm looking to see if you're trying to genuinely figure out my alignment, or trying to make a townread on me seem unusual or unwarranted.

Then wait for the original person asked to answer before jumping in.

1) I still think their claim would potentially come more from town.

Not sure I agree, and, as I said originally, I find it odd to without more information.

2) Curious about everyone else questioning the claim.

Why is that town and not scum? Both alignments can do that.

3) When he's present, he engages with multiple people at once, drawing focus onto himself.

All 5 posts...totally drawing focus.

4) Questions reads on him and gives valid counterstances that help improve the perception of another player.

This happened where?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'll probably make a longer post later but here are my brief thoughts:

lmao @ vax wanting to kill me for the wang claim - I'm not even mad, it's too funny. Vax is probably Town because I think that's a crazy push for Scum to make.

I definitely see resisting the pseudolynch as a ProScum play - PP and Taly both get shade for this.

Chara's townread on me doesn't seem genuine - they've given themselves an "out" to it every time they've posted and I find it weird that I've consistently sat at lukewarm town without moving.

previewedit: PP's last post makes me feel that PP v Taly is not TvT. Dunno which one is the Scum yet, though. I'll catch that on re-read.

[PenguinPower]

I definitely see resisting the pseudolynch as a ProScum play - PP and Taly both get shade for this.

Clarify the "psuedolynch" for me. Not sure what you are referring to.

[Errantparabola]

Official Unofficial Votecount 1.1

Espeonage

(1): the worst

Fire Assassin

(1): NicoRobin

PenguinPower

(1): Taly

Shoshin

(1): Srceenplay

Taly

(1): PenguinPower

the worst

(1): Shoshin

Not Voting

(12): TehBrawlGuy, Punreader, MariaR, DeasVail, Espeonage, Dunnstral, ActionDan, TwoInAMillion, Fire Assassin, ReubenWasFine, Chara, Vaxkiller

--

End The Day

(0):
(10 needed for majority)

Deadline in (expired on 2018-06-17 08:11:00)

@Taly: The color's fine. Don't use it for fake mod messages, obviously.

[Fire Assassin]

I have received my prod, but I haven't read anything since basically page 4.
This post is a promise that I will read up and comment on things I have missed tomorrow morning/afternoon.

Have a wonderful night everyone.

[Fire Assassin]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

This is a scum post and I will go into depth on why it is tomorrow.

[Fire Assassin]

Thought process here is manufactured

Espe came off as stilted earlier but considering w.e this role mechanic that's going on between Dunnstral/Espe/Vax/FA might explain that somewhat aside from the fact that Espe's continued serious scum read on FA doesn't make sense to me.

This is townie and has some of my thinking on why espe is scum.
1) original scumread had no substance.
2) his role apparently has him making me need to be low score. Which I think is really why he has a scumread.
3) I think him telling dunn they have opposite roles might be some kind of slip of having more information than others.
which would mean dunn is probably town. Or it means nothing, but I think its a possible slip.

[Dunnstral]

No it makes sense for him to know we have opposite roles, I didn't read mine close enough

[Chara]

questions you'd like answered first? meaning one question?
i'm waiting for Taly to return before i answer.

Um...pretty clear what I mean. What was the point of this beyond delaying your answer?

i checked your ISO, all i found was asking about Taly. what did i miss?

and yes, that's the point. as i just told you, i was delaying my answer until after Taly had responded.

[Chara]

Because I'm looking to see if you're trying to genuinely figure out my alignment, or trying to make a townread on me seem unusual or unwarranted.

this, actually.
the worst asked a question, and Penguin followed up on it. after i gave what i figured was a relatively simple answer (waiting for your response), he continued to call my townread of you unsubstantiated and suspect.

i'd thought anyone actually trying to read either of us in this situation might wonder if i was perhaps trying to see what

Taly

's reply to my townread would be, and therefore would not answer questions before i'd seen how Taly had responded.

all i'd really thought about in making the post was that Taly is someone who could reasonably be considered fairly towny, and he's a player i know, so saying he was confidently town might net some sort of discussion. my townread on Taly isn't as confident as that post suggests, but it's still there, and after seeing the reactions i've decided to stick to it.

as an aside: Deas, my townread on you was a gutread. that's all. note the past tense because i'm starting from the ground up anyway.

as for why Taly's town... i don't know, are you reading the game? what's scummy? his insatiable desire to share his thoughts and get the game moving, or the slightly-annoyed-with-the-game way he does it? this isn't a meta read, i don't have any good meta on Taly.

[Chara]

in case that wasn't clear, i liked Taly's reply. i also liked his reply to Penguin. of course, good scum questions random townreads on them. Taly didn't just question it, which is about the easiest thing

any

player can do in response to a purposely-concealed read, he was also defending its existence. Taly's town, he should know he is, and considering his contributions to the game so far, a strong read on him is something he would expect. being frustrated with being put in the "to sort" pile, and the way he's approached that, it just looks town.
but if you disagree, let's talk about that. :>

[Chara]

Then wait for the original person asked to answer before jumping in.

this is kind of funny in the context of my earlier posts. why did you need to jump in and ask the question the worst had just asked, anyway? why was it so important for you to see the answer?

I agree that Taly isn't as decidedly town as you stated.

I have questions I would like answered first, and I would like for you to explain why you think he is because I don't see it in your ISO.

and at the time of this post, Penguin hadn't actually done anything besides talk about his own slot. which i wouldn't really care about, except there's nothing indicating much about his reads in his own ISO. not that there's much in my own ISO, but why does that matter? the townread only came about because of posts i'd read since my last post. it reads like another way to discredit the read.

[Chara]

i'm townreading Espeonage, sort of. the early townread on Punreader is something i don't agree with, but the way they defended it didn't feel all that bad to me.
general awkwardness, maybe. which is a dumb reason to townread someone.

well, 2 confident reads out of 18 players isn't so terrible, right?

...haha. it kind of is. oh well, more tomorrow.

[Chara]

as an aside: Deas, my townread on you was a gutread. that's all. note the past tense because i'm starting from the ground up anyway.

Brawl, not Deas.

[the worst]

I'm currently one of the most vocal people in this game

The fact that my alignment or the conclusion of my alignment being questionable makes me feel a little uneasy.

I think I'd rather be scumread than be neutral/null. At least with a scumread, there's not this passive

"muddy the waters"

thinking on my slot.

There's more to work with when someone has an opinion or defined read on you.

I just think scum looks at me and thinks

"hmmm, this is an easy person to cast uncertainty on"

I'm "sort post-flip" basketing you
I literally feel like I've told you this is the way I'll be treating you ingame from now on

[the worst]

happy to talk about it if you'd like, Chara. I've seen Taly fake some pretty impressive stuff as scum before.
he's not going below the null line here unless something seriously changes, but he's very very unlikely to be in my top ~5 EOD1.