SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

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Missed the day start PM guys.

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You know how to win a popularity poll?
Go V/LA for a week.

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MOD: V/LA until next Monday.

I still will probably randomly post but in case I don’t.

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if we immediately nail two scum via unpopularity, it should count as a win.

also hello, everyone!

There is scum in this game?
I thought it was just a popularity game?

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Can we still vote on D1? Let's see:

VOTE: the worst

It might be helpful to use votes even if we're not lynching.

Sure. For shits and giggles
VOTE: Shoshin

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Ok I skimmed.

DAYVIG: Deasvail

Peace out. I’m going back to the beach and I wave you bye.

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2) Screen: Entrance can be either town or scum.

Dafuq

You are going to have to re-Taly then numbers.

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I'm giving screenplay a permanent 0 for 105

Ok. You caught me. I don’t pay attention and I’m bad town. GG. Move on now.

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So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.

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Espeonage
Dunnstral

Is this based on their role claims or behaviors?

I’m sure it’s just TMI.

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To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

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To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing because I’m lost.

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In post 177, Srceenplay wrote:
So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.


:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.

DV opened the game feeling scumy. I’m not the only one to pick up on it either. Soon after their tone changes imo.
I don’t like it. They are trying to blend in more.

The worst. They had some interactions with someone on this list. Do remember what or who. (Maybe DV and Shoshin) It felt odd/fake. Maybe look back after my vacation. Also iirc the the last time the worst didn’t town read me he was scum.

Dan tried forcing a post of mine as a scum claim and Shoshin postering.


That’s all off of memory.

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Srceen's post here gives me bad feelings about him.

Don’t read that one then.

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and also wrt srceen it would be anti town for me to explain what I find different about his play, I've played with him as scum once and town 3?+ times. Also read a few older games but he doesn't roll scum often.

What’s/why is anti town?

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EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

No

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EVERYONE here is going to give tehbrawlguy a 0. We are lycnhign him tonight, hands down. Im open to the other person who gets killed.

No

If you're going to say "no" then give a reason or suggest an alternative route.

The only reads I'm seeing that people have generally agreed with have come pretty easily and without much evolving information.

(Townreads on the worst/Chara and Scumreads on DeasVail/Screenplay - as a FEW examples.

Other than that, there's not a lot of cohesion, and I get that this is only D1, but in this setup - it's vital.

I’m on vacation. I’m just trying to read enough to not be behind.
We still have time I’ll be back from vacation Monday.


TBG. I just finished a game with him. We were both town. I got tunnel vision on him and don’t want to do it again. His posts now feel the same as last game. So I don’t plan on giving him a zero.

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someone who isn't me, give me your thoughts on 307

I’m rethinking my read on him now because of it.

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You guys blown the thread up during my drive today.

Probably to tired to read and absorb anything.

Do we all want to post how we are voting before end of day?
It might help us figure out who is getting offed at night before it happens.

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@fire Taly a 0? I was going to give them a 8-10

@maria. PP a 10. I thought the consensus was the lower half?

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I’m not catching up tonight. Zoning out as I try.
Been on the road since 6:30am and checked into hotel at 10pm.

Going to read some manga and pass out.

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You guys blown the thread up during my drive today.

Probably to tired to read and absorb anything.

Do we all want to post how we are voting before end of day?
It might help us figure out who is getting offed at night before it happens.

I think this is only a good idea if we agree to two lynches. If we don't fully commit to a pseudolynch, it hurts more than it helps.

I don’t see how.
If anything it shows us what direction we are heading going into night.
That’s a lot better than going blind and it forces some accountability.

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Pardon the mistake.
I forgot to bump Taly up a tier. Apologies.

ACTUAL list:

TOWNIE TENS:

Chara

EAGER EIGHTS:

Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan

SOLID SIXES:

Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage

FINICKY FIVES:

the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller

UNFORTUNATE FOURS:

NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine

IN-BETWEEN THREES:

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TERRIBLE TWOS:

TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower

ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:

Pine/TwoInAMillion

Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Chara's high placement (they're probably only a weak townread for me right now) and Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.

@dv
So you agree with Nico, Reuben, fire, Espeonage all being higher than me?
You’re ok with being in the middle of the pack? I would assume a null read.


This feels like fake engagement to me but our are more than welcome to try and convince me otherwise.

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as for why Taly's town... i don't know, are you reading the game? what's scummy? his insatiable desire to share his thoughts and get the game moving, or the slightly-annoyed-with-the-game way he does it? this isn't a meta read, i don't have any good meta on Taly.

I like this.

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In post 285, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
lmao @ vax wanting to kill me for the wang claim - I'm not even mad, it's too funny. Vax is probably Town because I think that's a crazy push for Scum to make.


1) You say Vax is town, but instead of telling him why his push on you is wrong, you laugh at his reasons. Disingenuous and clearly not oriented into gamesolving.
2) Your reason for his push being bad is that it's crazy for scum to push it? What? It just sounds like you're injecting your own bias to strengthen your means of discrediting him.

Do you know for a fact scum would be crazy to push you? Because you're pretty blatantly anti-town with the reason posts.

I think you are over complicating this. I understand exactly what he’s saying with vax.

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Actually when I think about it, I understand his point on bad but don’t know if I necessarily agree with his conclusion.

I know I do and say stupid shit sometimes to stir the pot and see if someone bites.
It my experience scum like nudge it to see if they can cause doubt and have someone else push it.

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someone who isn't me, give me your thoughts on 307

I’m rethinking my read on him now because of it.

I’m rerethinking

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someone who isn't me, give me your thoughts on 307

I’m rethinking my read on him now because of it.

Where's the direction of your read going? What makes you rethink that?

I actually think

DV

brought up valid points in 307 on

TGB

, and I agree with the reasons behind his read there.

~

DV

, now that my tunnel on

TBG and PP

has temporarily calmed down; what was your

original

plan?

Change of plan. The time is actually now! (Plans to do something else ended up falling through)

And what about

TBG

made you change that thought process?

DV was solid low points for me.
When I first read through it looked like some time and thought was put into that big post. So maybe I was wrong.
Now after rereading it I get more of a blah feeling. It felt like it was stretching and forcing point.

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it.

Answered ^

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How do I know scum doesn't want to give someone an all 0?

And why are you voting based on who gets votes by others? What if it was one of your poorly articulated townreads? Your posting is noncomittal and easy to flow with.

I feel like you don't get the point I'm making.

Say at the end of the day, the players that are generally suspected are A, B, and C, and each gets very low ranking points. If they're close enough, Scum can decide which of the three they want to save, and give that player higher ranking points, thereby choosing which set of {A, B} {B, C} {A, C} dies and flips. Hell, if the field's close enough, they could boost all three, and we might see a {D, E} flip, which is obviously awful. I would much rather we just all agree, to, say, give {A, C} 0s and ensure they flip. Now do you see why a mass 0-ing limits the power of what Scum can do by coordinating their own rankings? Scum absolutely are going to coordinate amongst themselves - it's naive to think otherwise. That's why we need to coordinate amongst the Town to limit their influence.

I'm ranking based on votes because I feel the loss of personal agency is worth giving votes a tangible value. Votes were worthless before I did that, and now they have a tangible value in controlling my rankings. If more players did that, votes would become more important, and we could use that to scumhunt/gamesolve/whatever. Enough players do it, and we have a psuedolynch.

Also, there's no reason to call my townreads "poorly articulated" there unless you're trying to be condescending or grandstand, and neither is helpful or necessary.

I’m not sure of the math but someone can figure it out, right?

Even if we all agree on who to give zeros to. Say we pick scum. If scum gave themselves 10 instead of zeros will that put them over the 1’s and 2’s?

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Trying to chainsaw a lynch. You think the post is SvT but don't make a solid stance on what one is what gives you options I dislike that. You basically spent the whole post explaining why it

could

be TvS but never took a stance on what one you think it is giving town the option to jump in and do the work for you

He is giving thoughts and feels.
Doesn’t know how to explain them but puts them out there.
Instead of helping him sort them you attack him for being open with his thoughts.

Brawl is now for sure above 5 for me.

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I've decided that I am enough of a negatively utility at this point that I'm going to claim.

I'm Shadoweh. Conditional Ascetic Townie with the passive that no actions from someone ranked lower than me can affect me, including night kills. This is why I suspected Punreader's BP claim.

Since I'm likely to be ranked low...claiming seemed to be beneficial.

Sounds like an awesome pro town ability.
Do you feel like you have done what you can to be universally town read?

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Trying to chainsaw a lynch. You think the post is SvT but don't make a solid stance on what one is what gives you options I dislike that. You basically spent the whole post explaining why it

could

be TvS but never took a stance on what one you think it is giving town the option to jump in and do the work for you

i liked the vagueness and feel the complete opposite. i'd thought his earlier posts pointed to what you're saying here, but the shitty answer is something i see more from town who had a bad feeling.

pedit: not Chara?

punreader, i can't wait for why i'm a perfect ten.

Heh. That’s basically what I said.

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wanted Srceen to have to answer before you did for him

I missed the question.

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So hey you guyz

EP was just in the Fox Discord just now, and told me that Brawl is Town. Like legit confTown. Seems SUPER UNPROFESSIONAL to me, but whatev.

They also hinted that if we were smart, we’d downvote Punreader. I dunno. They might be drunkmodding.

Why not listmod here and replace out?

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When I first read through it looked like some time and thought was put into that big post. So maybe I was wrong.

What were your original thoughts on the actual content of 307?

I didn’t really read the content. I just skimmed the post and made an assumption.

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Ok. New scum team.
Espe
Pp
Maria.

Low points
DV
The Worst
Nico
Action

Everyone else is a little higher.

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wanted Srceen to have to answer before you did for him

I missed the question.

question was how knowing who will die at night helps the town. (as opposed to scum.)

It helps town because it gives them information to plan around. Puts us closer to even footing with scum imo.

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MOD: can you comment on pines statements? Talking about mod communication or pretending to talk about mod communication I feel is skirting the line.
Can we get some clarity?

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It helps town because it gives them information to plan around. Puts us closer to even footing with scum imo.

give me an example. i can't see what we could be planning for, honestly, but i can certainly see plenty for scum to do with the info behind the scenes.

Cop doc watcher bg

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MECHANIC INFORMATION:
- Day 1 is lynchless and will end in 14 days unless a majority of players vote to end the day early.
- Between Day 1 and Night 1, a Ranking Phase will take place, wherein players send their rankings of players in the game in a PM to me. The ranking values are as follows:

{10, 10, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 6, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0}

In short, 3 tens, 3 zeros, 2 fours, 2 fives, and 2 sixes. You can do this by sending me assigned point values or a ranking from top to bottom (10 to 0). Keep in mind that in accordance with SUPP guidelines, one of the tens is for yourself.
- All scores will be privately averaged and ranked. Ties will be resolved by # of 10s, # of 9s, and so on.
- The lowest two ranked players will immediately die at the end of the Ranking Phase.

Want to think about this later.

@ mod: by average are you adding total points and then dividing by 18?

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Alternatively, we just don't publish our lists before the ranking phase, we do so afterwards. Giving everyone a pass to lie about their reads is just shooting ourselves in the foot and randoming makes zero sense. Even if scum are able to save themselves in this phase, we'll still clean out some scummy town.

Ok. I’m fine with this.

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Pun make your next wall has a paragraph about me.
I feel just like a footnote.

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So hey you guyz

EP was just in the Fox Discord just now, and told me that Brawl is Town. Like legit confTown. Seems SUPER UNPROFESSIONAL to me, but whatev.

They also hinted that if we were smart, we’d downvote Punreader. I dunno. They might be drunkmodding.

Why not listmod here and replace out?

yikes

@srceen did you not realise Pine was shitposting?

No.
That’s why I asked for clarification.

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Screenplay: Screenplay's contribution this game on the other hand have been somewhat indicative of pun. He is also fairly lackluster, but the difference is I have the experience with him to know that if he were town he shouldn't be. None of his contributions in this game have been even remotely endearing, and yet I've seen plenty of content sending up red flags, as early as 106. 108 was hollow as well, with no purpose behind it. His reads such as in 177 are opposite what they should be, and he is someone who I respect as a punhunter. Being on vacation feels like more of an excuse than anything else; he is posting plenty, he is reading everything (both of these are self-evident if you look at his iso), and yet in spite of this he is doing virtually nothing.

I’m not sure who you are but this is bullshit.
You have went way down on my list.

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When

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@all.
Engage with me.

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Engage with me.

What're your top 3 scumreads/townreads at the moment?

Didn’t I just give this?

Town is TBG and Taly

Ok. New scum team.
Espe
Pp
Maria.

Low points
DV
The Worst
Nico
Action

Everyone else is a little higher.

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@all.
Engage with me.

Anything you wanna talk to me abt ATM or

I don’t remember

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if you want engagement do it yourself and push yourself into the gamestate.

Huh


I think I just want the game to move along at this point.

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I’m waiting on Taly words of wisdom first.

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Didn’t I just give this?

I thought your reads changed based on new information, but I guess not... What's your read on Pun/Pine? Why is PP town?

What new information am I missing ?


Pine is just shit posting.

Pun i need to go back and re gather my thoughts. They have went down on my list iirc

PP is not a town read.



I need to get on a computer in a bit. Grab a beer and try to get some more detailed thoughts down.
Plus reply to Taly. .

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I need to get on a computer in a bit. Grab a beer and try to get some more detailed thoughts down.

Beer rots the brain, but otherwise that's a good idea. From what I gather, there's quite a few folks ranking you low so if you're town you really need to post enough thoughts for us to read you better.

One of my favorite quotes.


“Well, you see, Norm, it’s like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it’s the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.”

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Quoted for truth

quit fucking trying

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I'm wary that all the claims in this thread have not been all town-motivated.

1) Give me your thoughts and assessment of Pun and PP's claims.

PP: I think Their claim could be an awesome pro-town role. They did not play it that way and the way they go about claiming makes it winfomy. I think its scum.
Pun: I had to iso because i didn't remember claim. First post of theirs is a partial claim. Definitely seems odd and maybe understandable if they where aesthetic. They don't seem to reveal everything and hint that there is more.
IMO Pun is more believable.
but
I think Pun is bullshitting their read on me. So, a little OMGUS.

2) What do you think of Shoshin?

They are riding a wave upwards. They have started low but continue to make me like them more and more. They continue to give thoughts, ask questions, interject new thoughts and questions that move the game in response.

3) Do you think we have deepwolfs at the moment?

I don't think so but thats because I don't overly town read to many.

4) Why are you unsure about DV's post after some thought?

He shade Brawl by saying he is trying to look busy(fluff) but when you look at the first half of his post thats exactly what it is. The second half he tries to narrate a new meaning from the post that looks to me as forcing a read.

5) Talk to me about Nahdia and Pine. I don't quite know how to read them yet.

I don't have much either.
Nahdia: Neutral
Pine: BS-ing. Upper neutral.

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you should give me a 10 because it'd make me feel better at my chances of living thanks.

OK



We are still lying, right?

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639's pretty scummy too.

jesus christ idgaf

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so much for my beer theory

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I guess I will go get another

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What were you going to say last night and why were you waiting for my post?

VOTE: End Day

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The thing about this day period is I don’t think anything else is being done but doubt and second guessing.
I think we already talked about keeping our reads secret until d2.
So now it’s time to move on.

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639's pretty scummy too.

jesus christ idgaf

this is in reaction to Shoshin's judgement of Maria's post?

Umm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Still comfortable nuking both PP and PR

This.

Why do you want to die? Weird.

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If it were bullshit as you say, then you'd be able to explain why it was bullshit. You're not as incompetent/lackluster as you are pretending to be.

That’s bull shit as well because you would know that I am incompetent at explaining.

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Can I not like and like pun at the same time?