Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[YT2980]

punreader, did you get any indication from the mod that your action failed?

[Punreader]

HAS COMMON INTERESTS:

Kaede Akamatsu
Wilky
Alchemist21
Dunnstral
REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

HIGHLY LIKELY TOWN:

Ankamius
verylazy/Kokichi Oma

LEFTOVER:

Ramcius/YT2980

STRONG PUNREADS:

davesaz

This remains largely the same, however, I would demote Dunnstral to be below Ankamius on the list. I still feel this is more likely his towngame, but recognize it's not impossible for his play to be pun.

I strongly believe the JUNGLE lynch wagon was not pun bussing, so I maintain my townread there. In fact, he probably gets promoted, above Alchemist.

I strongly believe wilky is town regardless of davesaz's alignment off of the way the whole situation unfolded: his counterclaim, how he handled it, and his interactions with the pun. Furthermore, while it does remain doubtful that we'll get a successful investigation, there is a

chance

he could succeed if we let him live longer, and we can afford this. We have ten alive. Mislynch today, nightkill tonight, eight or seven (if I die) alive tomorrow. Mislynch again, six (or five) alive the day after, giving wilky time for the result. We even have another mislynch to spare after that, to come to four (or three) alive. We don't have to let him live until lylo, but I'm still not lynching him before 5/6p.

Alchemist I will need to give a full dive on to check his stances, but I have felt he has strongly been furthering the town wincon. This is a read similar to my Ankamius read.

Kokichi Oma I maintain is doubtfully pun with MariaR and thus likely town, but it's not altogether out of the question that he'd bus.

Ramcius/YT2980 does look rather town to me, but while the effort looks town and the interactions with projectmatt were town, there is a certain something missing keeping me from locktowning the slot.

[Punreader]

punreader, did you get any indication from the mod that your action failed?

No, which is standard for roleblocked individuals in most instances; they only receive notification if it is an action they always would receive notification on.

[Alchemist21]

punreader, did you get any indication from the mod that your action failed?

No, which is standard for roleblocked individuals in most instances; they only receive notification if it is an action they always would receive notification on.

When OTM blocked me I was told my action failed, but tried the exact same action last Night and didn’t receive any message about it.

[Dunnstral]

I think it's more likely that MariaR rolecopped me then set herself up to claim something with that scout thing and only decided to claim an inno later

[davesaz]

We should just lynch dave I guess? I'm not sure. I'll read and decide. Likely one scum left anyway

Only if you're a complete moron.

[davesaz]

You know the player this implicates to me?

VOTE: davesaz.

VOTE: punreader

[Ankamius]

VOTE: davesaz

[davesaz]

VOTE: ankamius

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless.
Considering OTM kept arguing against who to block it's hard to say who he did actually block, if he had just said yes, then we'd know that dave would've been roleblocked.

Fact: dave said he has no other abilities than his miller role.
Point: If dave is scum he's probably lying, but that would risk a tracker seeing him visiting anywhere exposing his lie.

Fact: Scum's kill was blocked Night 1.
Point: dave was roleblocked Night 1, if he has no other abilities he's the prime suspect towards making a kill. It is also possible

impossibear

's BP was hit Night 1.

Now we know that wilky's ability's been tampered with or he is lying, although I see no motive for him to lie the way he did, it is also implied that scum posseses a way to tamper with wilky's result, either by roleblock or by redirection, which is also followed by the next point:
There's also the party starter alchemist gave to Impossibear making them strongwilled. What is the motivation behind Alchemist doing this to a now known Town player?

Alchemist is

Town

wilky is

Town

Fact: punreader drove the lynch towards

projectmatt

, someone that was being townread in general and has great ability as a scum player, this lynch not only gave us a dead scum, it also casted a guilty onto another scum,

MariaR

Point: This would likely be a suicide move on the side of punreader if he were scum.

punreader is

very likely town

Fact: Dunn made an initial vote on

Ner

o,

Maria

sheeped and

Nero

retaliated towards

MariaR

instead of Dunn.
Fact:

MariaR

gave a soft clear on Dunn, but MariaR now is known to be scum, would MariaR go so far as to implicate her own teammate with a clear knowing full well how the neighborhood works and knowing she would potentially be found guily/scum?

Dunnstral is

Maybe town

Fact:

MariaR

tried to hide the presence of davesaz in the neighborhood
This could heavily implicate davesaz

davesaz is

maybe scum

That leaves us with Ankamius, Kokichi, Jungle and YT as leftovers.
Ankamius and Kokichi are both townreads of mine, YT well idk how to read ram's interactions with matt, and ram was pretty scummy, Jungle needs to do something TODAY about his quest and his quest needs to BENEFIT TOWN or he will eat rope tomorrow or somewhere down the line, but i think that can go into the backburner for now.

Anyone has any rebuttals?

[davesaz]

Agree, and the neighborize targets ended up being useful too.

It should be pretty much beyond doubt that if I had been scum with Maria we could have announced OTM's crumbed target and both been cleared. Maria must have thought she could frame me by being the first to reveal the no result. I'm happy that the ramifications of the matt no result swayed enough people to get Maria lynched.

I agree with wanting to hear from JUNGLE before doing much. There is probably a lot of heavy lifting to get remaining scum. Do we think the team is more likely to be 4 or 5? I think it's on the line and could go either way. Possible deep scum here.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Kaede

[davesaz]

I'm conftown. Get that through your thick skulls and move on.

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:

[Ankamius]

nope

RC would not have tracked OTM

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hmm that's a good point actually. Hmmm

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Incidentially, they could've both lied and said who matt visited, sacrificing matt and "clearing" themselves, the fact that MariaR had to tell the truth is possibly heavily implication of a town dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Fact: matt flipped scum
Fact: MariaR flipped scum
Fact: MariaR should've known who matt visited, if dave is also scum, he should've known too, hence it's an easy thing to fake, but MariaR had to tell the truth, the question is the "why?"

[Dunnstral]

I think dave is town because it came to light that there was a noresult on projectmatt

[Ankamius]

like ramcius is town I'm more and more sure
I'm town
Kaede is town
OTM is town - all 3 obvious
Dunnstral maybe scum but townlean

scum are not voting here. wraith is playing to survive the day phase. scum are not going to bus so if town has bad reads town is going to lose.

yup PM is scum, but we established that a while back I think.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

[Kokichi, Jungle, Ankamius, YT]
1-2 scum in here, this is autowin no?
I could even add dunn in there and it'd still be autowin.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Town:

Me
davesaz
punreader
alchemist
wilky

Maybe town

Dunnstral
--Own reads--
Kokichi
Ankamius

Leftovers

Jungle
YT

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Gonna wait on Jungle, i'll probably vote YT.

[davesaz]

Sorry about the outburst, i had to prevent a lemmings incident.

[davesaz]

Still some bad votes sitting...