Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[mastina]

Dance with me, Ginngie

You invited me to the dance, you dance with me. It's the rules.

[mastina]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

[mastina]

Town
Brian Skies - The pinnacle of what obvtown should be.

Less Town
andriod18 - Can't even spell its own name.
Katsuki - Who doesn't like cupcakes?

Somewhat Town
Wisdom - One of the more underrated D&D stats.
mastina - Might get herself lynched anyway.
Human Sequencer - Somebody has to defend the RVS.
grapes - The Mod felt the need to confirm something from him for whatever reason.

No Idea
Purrcocet - Is this supposed to be a floating cat head?
Ginngie - Pick a color.
Nosferatu - Colors are hard.
Moment - No idea.
Dunnstral - No idea.

A Little Scummy
Kokichi Oma - Danganronpa.

Less Scummy
zMuffinMan - Just look at that avatar.

Scum
Nancy Drew 39 - What happened to the other 38 of them?
Kaede Akamatsu - Danganronpa.
hebichan - The most pretentious Pokemon.

VOTE: Kaede Akamatsu

Normally I'd say that you can't steal my gimmick, but given that my gameplan this game is to just mess around all of D1 and D2 until I'm conftown on D3 (by the way that D3 Innocent Child claim? Not a joke.), I'll allow it.

[mastina]

town dont want to look towny

(Btw this would be one of the reasons why I'm intending to basically do nothing for two gamedays. I WANT people to doubt me. Because doubt keeps me alive until that point, at which I can just pull the trigger, and then suddenly, BAM! Conftown, will reveal the reads I've had the whole time but been keeping semi-secret, and from there fuck the scum over. They'll never know what hit 'em.)

[mastina]

tbh didn't even check the setup, was assuming this was a standard alice game

Neither did I; I just assumed this was one of those games where you pair off into lovers on D1 with the odd-man-out leaving the dance and from that point onward kills/lynches take out two people due to the lover mechanic.

[mastina]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Nice fakeclaim

Not a fakeclaim.

I guarantee you.

On D3, after I have triggered my action.

I will be conftown.

I kinda want to see how much suspicion I can garner on my slot prior to D3 tho.

[mastina]

Wrt innocent child shenanigans it's possible they have something to do with the "main characters" this setup is based around

I'm not a main character; my confirmation comes from a different method altogether.

[mastina]

VOTE: kokichi

Approval.

Vote: Kokichi Oma

.

[mastina]

(Realtalk tho. If I were to share reads it would be basically all townreads with some nullreads; Kokichi's the only read I have which is actually south of null right now, so.)

[mastina]

I kinda want to see how much suspicion I can garner on my slot prior to D3 tho.

Claiming D3 IC isnt a good way of garneing suspicion lol xD
I doubt anyone would suspect you now.

They will when I try so hard to not try!

If betting in games weren't illegal, I'd take a bet with you right here and now that I'm guaranteed to receive suspicion prior to D3 in spite of the D3 innocent child claim.

[mastina]

Kokichi's the only read I have which is actually south of null right now

On a scale of 0-10 how much confidence you have in this. You'd be one of the few people I'd trust to read Kokichi correctly.

When I have a more definitive read, I'll let you know, but right now it's too early to tell. I used bold tags for good reason; I'd say about a 2 right now.

I'll let you know when this changes beit having a stronger read on him or a read reversal.

[mastina]

Normally I'd say that you can't steal my gimmick, but given that my gameplan this game is to just mess around all of D1 and D2 until I'm conftown on D3 (by the way that D3 Innocent Child claim? Not a joke.), I'll allow it.

Like, you've seen me do this before, and I wasn't copying you then. So why do you still think I'm copying you now. Lol.

Because nobody does mastina like mastina does.

[mastina]

Or they'll just do to you what they did to me and vanillarize-neighborize you.

That'd be their funeral then because it'd turn this game from "not exactly something I want" to "oh fuck you I AM GOING TO WIN THIS SHIT" mode.

[mastina]

@Mod are we aware if the mafia has day chat or not?

You have no idea.

[mastina]

This is no excuse to not post any reads because you can die before hand.

I have my reasons.

Put it this way.

If a townread of mine gets run up, I'll defend them.

I'll give thoughts on players randomly. Some of these may even be productive.

But I've no reason to give full reads before then.

Also this is a good way to help ensure I

don't

bite the bullet before D3. The suspicion on me helps me stay alive.

I am not a player people are incredibly prone to nightkill (if they do it's mostly out of annoyance more than anything else and by not really contributing before D3 by definition I am not going to be annoying scum; the only players I'll be annoying are town), but if the scum actually view me as a THREAT they will kill me. Thus, the solution is to be seen as the opposite of a threat. Seen as an incredibly unappealing nightkill. The thing about this strategy is I can tell you about it and it doesn't actually diminish the effect thereof; it remains true regardless.

Numerous individuals are inclined to call me suspicious--the scum nightkilling me prior to D3 would be a red flag, then, yes?

Numerous individuals in this game wouldn't be inclined to nightkill me unless I was suspicious of them--the scum nightkilling me prior to D3 would give away this fact, then, yes?

Only a small number of individuals in this game would nightkill me on reputation alone. There's only one who would be guaranteed to do it, and I can count on one hand the number of other players who so much as potentially could. (And over half of them is a real stretch to think they actually would.) This happening would be a giveaway, then, yes?

Literally nobody in this playerlist (aside from maybe Nancy Drew or Purrcocet?) would kill me for my role alone, ESPECIALLY not when I am easily protection role bait (what with my D1 claim). This is then unlikely, yes?

So playing this way before D3 is the best strategy and telling you about it doesn't diminish that it is still the best strategy.

This is the strategy which minimizes my chance for death prior to D3.
This is the strategy which maximizes the chance for me to have an impact come D3.
This is the strategy which maximizes the amount of information you'd have available were I to die prior to D3, as by playing this way, my death prior to D3 would be highly indicative of specific factors in play that me playing normally would not be around.

I know how to play roles, even ones I'm not particularly fond of. (I mean, I love being conftown, but this is a fairly shitty way to get it.) And I promise you, this is the best possibly strategy for me holding this role.

[mastina]

I don't think she's a D3 IC at all, and she's going to come up with why it was a good gambit when the time comes, or say she can be somehow roleblocked, or something

I mean.

You're not wrong that I like to gambit, but what you fail to realize is that I only gambit as town; I tell the truth as scum.

And given that I am claiming to be conftown come D3.

That means that, absolutely guaranteed, I am going to be conftown come D3. Because that's not a claim I could make as scum. Yet it is also not a claim I would lie about as town. I never lie about being conftownable as town.

Exaggerate

, yes.

Mislead

, sure!
But lie, fuck no, I know better than that.

So I guarantee you.

I will be conftown.

[mastina]

Well, I stand corrected.

I told you I'd win the bet.

The optimal amount of suspicion on me is the amount which is as close to maximum as possible while keeping vigs/investigatives off of me, and I have a fairly good grasp on the level that is; I'm around it now (may or may not be at the exact right mark), so I'm doing more or less exactly what I need to be doing.

[mastina]

I'm gonna guess she's on a team with a vanillarizor or something and planned to explain it away that way or something

Joke's on them if they vanillaize me, actually. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried.

[mastina]

i get the sentiment but the Nancy Drew 39 votes are kind of ew

Not exactly right, but also not wrong!

Nancy's not a strong townread but she is a slight townread. The wagon composition on her has a few players who

could

be scum, but most of them aren't likely to be scum, especially not with each other. So, not the best place to wagon but also not the best place to "lynch the people on this wagon".

[mastina]

VOTE: Katsuki

I buy Katsuki's D5 Innocent Child claim if Katsuki has the two-phase-shifted equivalent of my role. (I

suspect

Katsuki would be able to share details about my role from their own, if so inclined to share, which I imagine Katsuki is not.)

So that's not a lynch ever happening because Katsuki is going to be just as conftown as I am, albeit two phases later than I will be.

[mastina]

kokichi can be town too i think, i like the mood

I don't.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma.

[mastina]

isaac
hs
mastina
moment
kokichi
purr
grapes
andriod
dunnstral
-----LYNCH BELOW THIS LINE----- <-- i want to move this line a couple notches down but i can't in good faith
nosferatu
wisdom
hebi
kaede
ginngie
nancy
cupcake

With the exception of Dunnstral and Nosferatu, your list is literally an exact inverse of mine.

I would lynch in Brian Skies/Human Sequencer/Kokichi Oma/Purrcoet/grapes/andriod/Nosferatu. (No, not all are scumreads, but none of them are townreads.) I would not lynch any of Dunnstral/Wisdom/hebichan/Kaede Akamatsu/Ginngie/Nancy Drew/Katsuki; all of them are townreads.

[mastina]

(Forgot Moment as well; Moment is also in the lynch list of players that are not townreads.)

[mastina]

now is the part of the day where people should start forming larger wagons instead of having lots of small ones

Moment [4]

- Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom

Katsuki [4]

- zMuffinMan, Dunnstral, Kaede Akamatsu, andriod18

Ginngie [2]

- Moment, Human Sequencer

Wisdom [2]

- Kokichi Oma, Katsuki

hebichan [1]

- grapes

Kokichi Oma [1]

- mastina

mastina [1]

- hebichan

Nancy Drew 39 [1]

- Brian Skies

Not Voting [1]

- Ginngie
the wisdom, kokichi, mastina wagons should probably collapse and move to a different wagon because they really aren't viable

Yeah uh the problem there is...literally every single wagon there except for Kokichi Oma and maybe, maybe,

maybe

Moment (Moment's an ambivalent read that is thoroughly null) suck.

So no. I'm still in :lazyICmode:, so I'm not going to effort on why the town being voted are town and why we have only one (maaaaaaaaaybe two) scum being voted, but I will staunchly refuse to budge from the only guaranteed scum wagon.

[mastina]

moment/dunn/kaede

kaede is most likely scum, yes
at least we have one read we agree on

Funnily enough, that would just so happen to be my strongest townread!

Kaede is bleeding town so hard this game Kaede's more of an innocent child than an actual innocent child is.

[mastina]

we have a d3 and a d5 ic?

I believe we do indeed!

[mastina]

Literally nobody in this playerlist (aside from maybe Nancy Drew or Purrcocet?) would kill me for my role alone,

Self-explanatory. On N1 and N2, nobody in this playerlist is dumb enough to--knowing the composition of this playerlist--nightkill a player based off of their ROLE, aside from potentially you two. (And even then, it's doubtful.)

Thus, if I died, it'd be a red flag that I wasn't killed for my role.

[mastina]

ESPECIALLY not when I am easily protection role bait

i see no so i can only assume this was a serious remark

Not by personality. I'm no protection role bait by personality.

However, by roleclaim, D3 innocent child is in fact protection role bait, yes?

[mastina]

The wagon composition on her has a few players who could be scum, but most of them aren't likely to be scum, especially not with each other. So, not the best place to wagon but also not the best place to "lynch the people on this wagon".

You lost me

Nancy's town so the wagon there is bad, but the players on the wagon aren't themselves overly sketchy. Some names on it could be scum, sure enough, but I can confidently say there's a maximum of one scum in there, if that.

[mastina]

Mastina what do you think of wisdom

I'm actually fairly sure this is town from him. It's not 100%, but if this is a scum him he is doing everything right.

[mastina]

Mastina you already voted me before. You sure you're paying attention? Why am I scum?

I voted you with bold tags, now it's vote tags for emphasis of read strength shift.

[mastina]

Can you explain Gingie? ngl you're one of the people i trust to read gingie correctly, although that comes with the caveat that i can trust you to be town.

Can?
Yes.
Will?

Not now, no.

I've no incentive to defend a townread who has no wagon on them.

[mastina]

if we have 2 ics there must be a disadvantage somewhere else

Would you believe me if I said I had an idea of what?

[mastina]

VOTE: Purrcocet.

Purr's got some 'splaining to do.

Actual claim: Night 2 Vig; last night, I shot Purrcocet.

(And yes, it's spelled that way. Not Vigilante; Vig. Not N2, Night 2.)

Purrcocet, a scumread of mine no less!, claimed my fucking role. He fucking claimed Night 2 vigilante. I had been

planning

to shoot someone like, say, Kokichi Oma, but as a vig the correct play is to always just fucking shoot your counterclaim especially when you don't get the chance to fucking talk all of D2.

I was basically breadcrumbing this role in every fucking post of mine (I can pull up my VERY specific wordings in a bit), but.
The reasoning for the fakeclaim should be self-evident. I said on D3 I would be an innocent child; that's because you don't fucking give a vigilante to a scum player, and the proof would be in the second nightkill with me having killed Purrcocet. (Well originally I was planning on shooting Kokichi, but. Yaknow. Claimed my exact fucking role, and all that.) By claiming D3 Innocent Child, I would lead scum to think I had no night action; by claiming D3 innocent child, I would lead players to think that I was utterly harmless before D3.

But for SOME fucking reason.

Purrcocet isn't dead.

So.

Purrcocet.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.

[mastina]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not

automatic

; I have to manually

trigger

it.

Investigatives should stay off of me because a gunsmith would get a guilty on me; rolecopping or vanilla copping or neapolitaning me would be a waste because my role would be proven come N2 with a successful vig.

I made it clear from the wording here what my true role is. AUTOMATIC-->guns. TRIGGER-->guns.

I guarantee you.

On D3, after I have triggered my action.

I will be conftown.

Again, I specify TRIGGER. I also was very careful with my wording. I never said that I would trigger my action ON D3. I said, QUITE SPECIFICALLY, I would be conftown on D3 after HAVING triggered my action.

Wrt innocent child shenanigans it's possible they have something to do with the "main characters" this setup is based around

I'm not a main character; my confirmation comes from a different method altogether.

My confirmation method comes from being a fucking vig.

Or they'll just do to you what they did to me and vanillarize-neighborize you.

That'd be their funeral then because it'd turn this game from "not exactly something I want" to "oh fuck you I AM GOING TO WIN THIS SHIT" mode.

Vanillaizing an innocent child wouldn't do much because I go without being conftown in most games, but I was specifically putting A LOT OF EFFORT into the strategy behind my vig; being vanillaized after I worked so hard on that would be a "fuck you".

This is no excuse to not post any reads because you can die before hand.

I have my reasons.

Put it this way.

If a townread of mine gets run up, I'll defend them.

I'll give thoughts on players randomly. Some of these may even be productive.

But I've no reason to give full reads before then.

Also this is a good way to help ensure I

don't

bite the bullet before D3. The suspicion on me helps me stay alive.

I know how to play roles, even ones I'm not particularly fond of. (I mean, I love being conftown, but this is a fairly shitty way to get it.) And I promise you, this is the best possibly strategy for me holding this role.

"Bite the bullet" was another hint, but the strongest hint here was "roles I'm not particularly fond of". What role have I on NUMEROUS different occasions stated I absolutely loathe? That's right. Vigilante. I hate them with a passion, but they have one particular use--being made conftown. It's a SHITTY way to become conftown, but it's becoming conftown nonetheless.

Also, this was me outlining my plan.

I wasn't going to give scumreads because guess what? As a fucking vig, I can let my SHOT do the talking in terms of scumreads.

I never lie about being conftownable as town.

Exaggerate

, yes.

Mislead

, sure!
But lie, fuck no, I know better than that.

So I guarantee you.

I will be conftown.

Here I basically admitted that I was in fact not a D3 IC, because the D3 IC claim was precisely this: misleading, and exaggeration, but still the truth, because by shooting N2, I'd be conftown on D3, just as good as an IC.

I'm gonna guess she's on a team with a vanillarizor or something and planned to explain it away that way or something

Joke's on them if they vanillaize me, actually. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried.

The assumption here was that I wouldn't be vanillaized N1 (after all, they thought I couldn't be conftown until D3 so why vanillaize me N1?), and if they attempted it N2, it presumably wouldn't stop my shot from going off. Thus, why the joke would be on them if they had tried; I'd still have fucked them over with the shot.

VOTE: Katsuki

I buy Katsuki's D5 Innocent Child claim if Katsuki has the two-phase-shifted equivalent of my role. (I

suspect

Katsuki would be able to share details about my role from their own, if so inclined to share, which I imagine Katsuki is not.)

So that's not a lynch ever happening because Katsuki is going to be just as conftown as I am, albeit two phases later than I will be.

Here I stated my suspicion that Katsuki had an Night 4 Vig. I was VERY careful about my wording. Not "two-day-shifted". Two PHASE shifted. And I suspected Katsuki would be able to give details of this.

if we have 2 ics there must be a disadvantage somewhere else

Would you believe me if I said I had an idea of what?

The disadvantage I am referring to here is how Vigs require KILLING, to REMOVE a player from the game--yes, they become conftown by having done so, but shots are DISPROPORTIONATELY likely to be on town (thus why I hate vigs), on top of the chance of failure (thus the gambit to help ensure I'd succeed).

I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was roleblocked, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.
I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was redirected, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.
I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was rolecopped N1 to justify them knowing my role, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.

So Purrcocet survived by some other means.
And I don't buy that it's by a town method.

[mastina]

Btw, since it is now D3 and I've used my role: I need to take the game more seriously.
I don't remember most of D1, I didn't read D2 properly and skimmed through bits and pieces of it to try and gather what had happened, and I obviously haven't read any of D3 yet, but.

I have a promise to fulfill.

Small problem, there's 90 pages and I don't have the endurance for that (in my experience, I can only handle 20 pages/day), so my basic plan here is to start from D3, read any key parts of the game I'm pointed to, read any key isos I need to, and maybe do some VCA on the side.

Though, that being said, VERY important note:

MOD: I will be V/LA with

absolutely zero access

from this Friday until this Sunday.

Also, right now I'm juggling like ten different tasks, among them modding, so apologies if I'm a bit hectic.

[mastina]

Well

darn

.

I knew this was a loss, I knew that power roles could fuck me over, but I was hoping to at least give the town a good show, be all sportsman like and give them a challenge where they'd have a few mislynches here and there. I KNEW I was killing a VT, I KNEW Nosferatu and Katsuki were both power roles, I KNEW that leaving both alive would risk fucking me over, but I still was hoping for more than this. Was hoping intentionally killing a VT instead of a power role would generate enough confusion and disarray to stop the stomp.

Ah well.

No problem with releasing the PT.

And by the way--people are more than free to use this as a reference for my scum meta; that way, they'll be utterly fucked over when they encounter a game where I actually cared. (I told Ginngie from the onset: this was her fault; she invited me to a game I otherwise would never have played, so she got what she bargained for. )

[mastina]

Also, zMuffinMan: not a lie RE: reading.

I didn't read most of D1; I didn't lie there. I didn't read most of D2; I didn't lie there. I DID read enough to know grapes was a Vanilla Cop, Kaede was a Vanilla Cop, Purrcocet was a N2 vig, Nosferatu was a power role counterclaiming Katsuki's obvious fakeclaim, and that Katsuki was obviously fakeclaiming.

But I didn't read the thread proper. That's literally the entirety of my knowledge of those day phases. The power role claims. I didn't know reads, I didn't know reasons, I didn't know stances, I didn't know anything, because that wasn't a lie and never would be a lie because I don't fucking lie. If I say I haven't read something, it's because I fucking haven't read that thing.