Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

[Gustavo]

Where do you play with those deadlines?

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.09

Performer

(4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode

Invisibility

(4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee

Gustavo

(2): Lefty, teacher

Tchill13

(1): Tommy Egan

Gosrir Elmer Odels

(1): Invisibility

teacher

(1): Gosrir Elmer Odels

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-06-25 14:45:00)

Mod Notes:

• Performer V/LA on weekends
• teacher V/LA on weekends

[Lefty]

Where do you play with those deadlines?

I’ve played on a lot of sites. DragonMount, PerC, JetNation, Vendetta Strada. I’ve dabbled on Mafia Universe but that site is blocked on my phone unless it’s connected to WiFi.

I’m a disciple of Cory Curren’s School of Wolf Hunting.

[Tchill13]

wagons stalled because scum don't want to lynch either.

[teacher]

Cory Curren’s School of Wolf Hunting.

I suppose I could google, but you want to elaborate?

[Lefty]

I’d lynch Invis over Performer but I wouldn’t feel spectacular about it.

[Lefty]

Cory Curren’s School of Wolf Hunting.

I suppose I could google, but you want to elaborate?

Just name dropping. If Gustavo plays on MU he might know who I’m talking about.

[Performer]

@gustavo fair enough, you play with a different preference and have some different experience, now I know.

But replying with “perf thinks I’m scum,” then overinflating what I said as some sort of bigotry, and voting me….? I’ve been called a lot of things on FM (partly because people lack deceny), but being a bigot…??
How is what I said to you, intolerance of people having differing opinions? I wasn’t saying your ways are worse. Bigotry and possible scum, are separate.

[Gustavo]

It was very clear from my post I had a personal opinion about the speed of games. You are either scum manipulating that for an easy target or you are town completely disregarding my personal opinion and using that as a reason to suspect me which is a really shitty thing to do. I consider that bigotry, you can say it’s something else but whatever you call it, unacceptable is definitely what it is.

Now this may be antitown and I don’t really care since you couldn’t respect my personal opinion, but I won’t be interacting with you anymore. Hopefully you are lynched today so I don’t have to see your posts anymore.

[Nosferatu]

Performer (4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode
Invisibility (4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): Invisibility

how does this make you guys feel?

[Performer]

since a handful of ppl threw lefty out as town lefty probably IS town.

wut
also i don't think you're scum rn

So you first thought chill was suspicious, a little later, you say he's not scum. How'd you get from a to be? All you're saying in your ISO was how suspect he was, then you suddenly change and say he's not scum.

scum also can't adjust their play if they don't know why they're being read a particular way.

But if you’re paying attention it’s easy to spot those changes.

good point. I dont agree with your overall idea but still a good point.

tell me how town benefits from you death tunneling performer? because i actually agree with your "push" of performer. Problem is you know how pointless d1s are. You should also know why a death tunnel d1 is hysterical especially when you have a chance to begin to sort a new player list.

I don’t really think town benefits unless he flips scum. I just don’t see how he as town would dare make such an accusation so I’m assuming he’s scum. What’s most likely going to happen is he’s going to come back and double down and push me and then it will get completely toxic. Even if that doesn’t happen and he apologizes, it’s not going to change my view. I’m basically treating it like a scum claim.

I’ll still comment on other things and if I have to vote elsewhere to end the day I will, but he needs death. If he’s town I can’t trust him. Which is kind of ironic since I believe his avatar is something about working together

Back in the day, I was death tunneled by Jake from State Farm, talah, and a few others. Turned out they and I were town in those games. I've seen scum death tunnel town as well, but death tunneling itself is NAI. I think it's highly antitown.
Instead of voting on scum, you're intent pages down from when you first voted me, so intent to keep up the death tunnel, and even going to say if I'm town, you can't trust me, so I need to be policy lynched?


Dude calm down. If you think I'm that horrid and disrespectful, there are many other games. Seriously. This is Forum Mafia, a game. Nothing I've posted had the intent to be personal attack.

[Gustavo]

Performer (4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode
Invisibility (4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): Invisibility

how does this make you guys feel?

Considering how hard bbt was trying to get the teacher wagon back, I don’t like his vote on invisiblity. I feel
Like he completely abandoned it and went with a popular counter just to keep performer from being lead wagon.

[Gustavo]

Damn it just dawned on me bbt voted me after I voted performer.

[Nosferatu]

Performer (4): Nosferatu, Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode
Invisibility (4): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla, BlueBloodedToffee
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): Invisibility

how does this make you guys feel?

Considering how hard bbt was trying to get the teacher wagon back, I don’t like his vote on invisiblity. I feel
Like he completely abandoned it and went with a popular counter just to keep performer from being lead wagon.

that's sort of against the point of the things I chose to include.

The two leading wagons are not cross-voting.

[Gustavo]

That’s also interesting but could be nothing

[Lefty]

He did. He said he saw that I thought Byron was scum but didn't see why.

Is that your only (and thus best) reasoning for what is your top scum read on page 17?

Or you got something else to share?

Well yeah but that doesn't change the fact he had a null stance on both of us. Usually at the end of a debacle like that some strong opinions will be made, and at least one of the two will have shifted from simply a null read. That didn't happen with Performer, which naturally is going to raise some question marks.

Rereading 211 I actually don’t mind that he doesn’t have a firm read on either you or BBT given where that read was made. His reason for not being sure on BBT is different than yours as well.

[teacher]

Im still midway through my reading, so I dont know how the wagons developed. I find it interesting that Performer is on one, but Invis is not in favor of a vanity wagon.

Through where I am now, I think I have many of the same issues with Invis as I did yesterday with Gus.

But I have also played with town!Invis who played exactly like this before. I dont think I will ever be able to read him well in any alignment.

Short: I feel unsure about either. I think Im in the same boat as lefty - Id join Invis over performer but am not sold on either. I will post an actual PoE pool when Im done.

[Performer]

I don't have a strong enough reason to town read Performer (and thus fight his wagon) but that post isn't enough for me to understand how he is the leading wagon either. He needs to get in this game so we can get more from him.

his interpretation wrt to the byron debacle looks like he's trying to play it too safe. he should have had some stance on one of you two.

performer is my top scumread?

I didn't know that

Yeah, of the 4 on my wagon, disliking Nos the most. Added to sr . Feels like he's sliding by and just keeping his read there on me.

BBT/performer scumteam yea nay?

BBT/performer scumteam yea nay?

If performer is scum like I think it’s very possible

I don't know about him defending, but I'd probably defend bbt on d1 almost anyday. Same goes for thor665, implosion, silverwolf, radiantcowbells, and maybe not_mafia.

I need to reread wavemode and sort him, I didn't get why he voted me. Chill did it to pressure a "lurker," and upon seeing more posts from gus, I'm thinking he's more likely town than not.

[Lefty]

for the record they're not ordered merely color coded

BlueBloodedToffee

ByronVilla

Lefty

Gosrir Elmer Odels

Nosferatu

Garmr
Invisibility
Gustavo
Tchill13

Tommy Egan

Performer

teacher

Not gonna lie when I saw you were catching up I was hoping for something better. A lot happened since you last posted.

With this list can you give any sort of reasoning on your town/scum reads? Or if there’s anything in particular that’s keeping players in your null group?

[Performer]

The vote on my wagon that's most confusing, is wavemode's.

wavemode - said bbt, garm, lefty are probably town, and that's it in that post. Did a bit of interaction in his posting. Got on the teacher wagon. Got on the wagon on me.
tommy posted only 4x, and voted chill. Why do you scumread tommy?
Why do you think I'm scum?

[wavemode]

With this list can you give any sort of reasoning on your town/scum reads?

I've explained many of them already. Who do you want to know about

Or if there’s anything in particular that’s keeping players in your null group?

The fact that they're null for me...?

[wavemode]

Why do you think I'm scum?

411

also because i'm beginning to PoE the game to a degree

[Performer]

K, adding byron to tr as well. Asked for more content from tommy & me. His read progression looked town on bbt, I could see him thinking bbt was sr if he was being an ass, but then his read progression on bbt changed and he voted invis. I used to read scum as "likelier playing with bad behavior" in my early days too, so. His 432 about thinking I'm suspicious, made sense after I read an ISO on myself.

"I don't feel like Teacher & Performer would be scumbuddies. Tommy makes me a bit anxious, Nos a lot less so. I didn't really have problems with his post."
@gosrir: to which I ask, why do you feel like we aren't scumbuddies?
Why does Nos make you less anxious than tommy? What about now, and why?
You mentioned that you feel good about invisibility. Has anything changed on that read?

[Lefty]

With this list can you give any sort of reasoning on your town/scum reads?

I've explained many of them already. Who do you want to know about

Or if there’s anything in particular that’s keeping players in your null group?

The fact that they're null for me...?

Let’s start with the SRs on Tommy/Teacher. You’ve already explained Performer.

When did Invis go from a town lean back to null? Garmr and TChill haven’t done anything AI yet iyo?

[Performer]

@wave
Upon your ISO, I can see where you're coming from about your read on teacher, based on his posts.
I read teacher's question to bbt for reads, as a weird question that was an attempt to sort him. Weird because it was so early to ask him of that, but he's new. I didn't believe that to be a good enough case to vote teacher.

Regarding your sr of me - ok, I can see where you're coming from in that.
Why is invis null for you?