Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[HitAlt]

I feel like even when I put my vote on the_worst the other people that suspected him were zzz on the matter and the wagon got nuked.

Because we have at least three players who are somewhat under MDs thumb.
I also think TW is a likeable duckling, so he has that going for himself, which sucks.
MD controls this game in an admirable way anyhow.
And I think very few of this playerlist have the will or the skill to go against the stream and disagree with MDs mechanics-theorizing. (assuming scum!Dino falsifies them)

I'm starting to think that MD might even be the more likely scum out of the two, but I still think they are a duo.
If the vig shoots town tonight, and scum kills our cop, where are we left tomorrow?
Pintu is lynched today, and unless I'm wrong on them like I was on jjh, we will mislynch.
I will be the designated lynch tomorrow after a townflip on Pintu (as MD thinks TW is scum only with him).
It all spells out MD+TW for me.

The only thing I have a slight hope for is that Pinocchio is scum after all, and I'm just way off this game.
Scum!Pintu would "clear" TW and MD for me, so I'd be free to leave my tunnel where I've been living in a dumpster.

[HitAlt]

I could vote Math at this point

If you can rally the people behind that, then go for it.
By all means.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Mathdino Let's gooooooooo

[Mathdino]

I disagree with the notion that me and pintu should crossvote.
But since he already voted to kill, I'll have no trouble to follow it up.
I think my vote would put him at L-1, so in case he's scum with the intention to selfhammer I'll hold on to it for a while longer.

If our JK agrees with Dino, then maybe claim a JK target for the chance that pin flips red.

Anyone else with something on their mind should speak before it too.

I disagreed too; do you have any better alternative? I could vote Math at this point

i ask the same question

like i literally don't know who else you guys expect me to scumread at this point

- ruru is town because pintu and NSG says so
- Zor is town because that shit is unlikely to be faked (although the fact that he is neither the vig nor a VT trying to act like the vig is concerning)
- BlackStar is town because i have an inno on him and NSG was hard townreading him

- davesaz is town because i actually did my research. if you want to convince me otherwise, that's your job. neither of you have tried.
- ofrhz is town because she doesn't seem reachy at all this game. her ISO mostly makes sense. if i'm wrong on someone it's probably here. again, convince me instead of sitting around and complaining.
---- that said, 3 people have a hypo-inno on her, so lynching her essentially forces a half-massclaim

- TW is town because he has almost no viable scumpartners besides pintu and maybe ofrhz

this leaves Hitalt and pinturicchio

[Mathdino]

I feel like even when I put my vote on the_worst the other people that suspected him were zzz on the matter and the wagon got nuked.

Because we have at least three players who are somewhat under MDs thumb.
I also think TW is a likeable duckling, so he has that going for himself, which sucks.
MD controls this game in an admirable way anyhow.
And I think very few of this playerlist have the will or the skill to go against the stream and disagree with MDs mechanics-theorizing. (assuming scum!Dino falsifies them)

I'm starting to think that MD might even be the more likely scum out of the two, but I still think they are a duo.
If the vig shoots town tonight, and scum kills our cop, where are we left tomorrow?
Pintu is lynched today, and unless I'm wrong on them like I was on jjh, we will mislynch.
I will be the designated lynch tomorrow after a townflip on Pintu (as MD thinks TW is scum only with him).
It all spells out MD+TW for me.

The only thing I have a slight hope for is that Pinocchio is scum after all, and I'm just way off this game.
Scum!Pintu would "clear" TW and MD for me, so I'd be free to leave my tunnel where I've been living in a dumpster.

you have an incredible number of false assumptions

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal

100% record of PR hunting

-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

lynch pintu, see what happens. if the cop dies, we'll talk tomorrow. request a copcheck on me if you have to, or treat "the cop not dying" as yet another inno on me. your call.
you lynching me doesn't stop the cop from dying if i'm scum.

[Mathdino]

and yeah imma take credit for that lynch because for fuck's sake
i had to bring up personal discord chats with jjh in order to pull a solid scumcase on him
if you think that a math/TW team decides to crossbus between all 3 of us and expects not to get BoP'd in endgame, you're actually insane

here is the full list of mislynchable players i did not push:
- something_smart
- davesaz
- hewhoswims
- hitalt

if i'm scum, this is potentially the worst scumgame i've ever played
i will D1 bus creature
i will D1 bus anyone if i feel like my back's against the wall
but dammit i was the one that even brought jjh's meta to the table

[Mathdino]

Notice how incredibly little that chatterbox duckling has talked about pintu

..and this is complete BS. I said this already too: if they were scum together, it would be so much fun for them to fake interaction in game, that they would def. go overboard with it, more likely than avoid it.

THIS IS LITERALLY NOT HOW TW-SCUM PLAYS

holy balls my man

it's not how i play either but self-meta self-meta right?

go read TW's scumgames, i've fucking caught him on associations before

TW as scum feels as if his job is to get in the town's good graces, not prepare for the endgame by fucking any and all associations
he doesn't focus on associations, he focuses on himself and not getting lynched
i lowkey think he avoids over-the-top scum/scum interactions because he feels he'll slip up, especially without daytalk

[the worst]

lmao wtf is this phase

[the worst]

I'm just gonna assume Hit and pintu have claimed scum together

[pinturicchio]

duckling could you help me? I think I'm in trouble

[pinturicchio]

duckling look into my eyes and you will see what you mean to me; search your heart, search your soul, and when you find me there, you will search no more

[the worst]

p... pintu not in public...

(also can you actually stare into my black beady eyes without freaking out?)

[Zoronos]

Bryan Adams? Really?
Isn't that from Prince of Thieves? That movie was not great.

[pinturicchio]

p... pintu not in public...

(also can you actually stare into my black beady eyes without freaking out?)

LOOK AT ME I SAY

[Zoronos]

Well this game got weird really quick.

[HitAlt]

ruru is town because

pintu

and NSG says so

+

-TW is town because he has almost

no viable scumpartners besides pintu

and maybe ofrhz

+

this leaves Hitalt and

pinturicchio

+

TW is town

Yea...uh-huh..no.
VOTE: MathDino

[Mathdino]

you have a shortcoming in the logical department

if pintu says ruru is town, i will trust that until pintu flips scum

if TW's only viable scumpartner is pintu, he's town until pintu flips scum

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO FLIP PINTU

if pintu flips scum, THAT'S when we reevaluate ruru and TW, not today

[pinturicchio]

How about you stop being lazy town dino and/or scum dino and evaluate TW and ruru by yourself?

[Mathdino]

you STILL haven't answered who i should be scumreading from my POV

my PoE trajectory can be read through my ISO

you, like all the rest, are voting me because you don't like it

but you've at no point addressed why i shouldn't believe and push the reads i currently have

Edit: are you kidding me

[HitAlt]

Hey, scumteam!
You now have two votes on MathDino already.
You have a chance to get rid of this powertown and the blame will likely fall on me/pintu anyway.
So like..vote him.
We won't be paying attention.

[Mathdino]

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How about you stop being lazy town dino and/or scum dino and evaluate TW and ruru by yourself?

- i've been evaluating TW all damn game. his chosen strategy is a fundamental part of his playstyle. i can't talk about that. but in short, i think one of the following:
A. he's a PR.
B. he's a VT actively trying to draw the NK.
C. ofrhz is a cop and has an inno on him.
D. i'm the cop and have an inno on one of his two viable scumpartners. outside chance of ofrhz, who i'm townreading.

- the more that i talk about my read on TW in general, the more capable he is of adjusting his play to me. he does this as town because his mafia philosophy is all about charisma. i don't deal well with in-game chameleons. but i've done a lot more reading TW than you think

- i'm not arrogant enough to think that i'm better at reading ruru than NSG and pintu combined. me trying is just going to be a distraction. i know my place.

[Mathdino]

Hey, scumteam!
You now have two votes on MathDino already.
You have a chance to get rid of this powertown and the blame will likely fall on me/pintu anyway.
So like..vote him.
We won't be paying attention.

did you just vote me as a honey trap and then tell the scumteam that it's a trap

[pinturicchio]

I don't wanna go Mr. Dino

[Mathdino]

respond to 2020

what do you find inconsistent with town-me here

you've played with me and my mafia philosophy tons of times

[ruru]

Not to change the subject to something that's likely irrelevant but I just realized I forgot to ask what's the goal of jailing an outed cop if that cop will never get to act

Like the sequence of events to get anything from cop would have to be exactly
N2 vig shoots, jk jails cop, vig somehow gets shot (X->1)
N3 jk/cop each flip a coin (25% to block the nk / 25% to get a cop result depending on scum's target)?

Alternative would be something like
N2 vig shoots (X->1)
a. Cop/jk gets shot (X->2)
b. Cop/jk somehow live
N3
a. Vig has 2 shots now, possibly in 6:1 where they're useful?
b. Cop/jk each flip a coin like above
I think?