Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

A block if true is def an inno if there's 1 scum remaining. Strongman is dead after all.

Logic fail. Strongman has absolutely nothing to do with slow cop. If the slow cop is even real.

your logic is the one failing.
If there's 1 scum remaining and a kill happened, the blocked player could NOT have made the kill and is therefore town.
This is assuming he's blocked, I havent seen a lick of evidence to suggest OTM did block them.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if OTM had at least said "FINE ILL BLOCK DAVE" or something before the end of yesterday then you'd be an inno right now barring 2 scum remaining instead of 1.
His argument with wanting to block punreader makes that dubious and i have no idea which of the 2 was blocked in the end.
There's even less evidence suggesting he targeted wilky.

[davesaz]

The logic fail is that him saying he's blocked is immaterial, therefore him saying he's blocked isn't an inno under any circumstances.

[davesaz]

I can't decide if bringing up that "inno" in the first place was scummy or just bad.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

could be a scum roleblocker slip for all i know.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Woops i didnt mean to say that out loud

[davesaz]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

Wilky basically has an inno on him though since he got blocked last night. I don't think there's more than 1 scum left.

Yeah this one.
OTM had a scumread on Alchemist, IIRC.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:

[Alchemist21]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

Wilky basically has an inno on him though since he got blocked last night. I don't think there's more than 1 scum left.

What makes you think he got blocked last night?

He claimed it and nobody has counterclaimed getting blocked.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

Wilky basically has an inno on him though since he got blocked last night. I don't think there's more than 1 scum left.

What makes you think he got blocked last night?

He claimed it and nobody has counterclaimed getting blocked.

Can't tell if scum or just derp town.

[Alchemist21]

Ugh, action failed again. Fairly obvious I won't be getting a result here.

Jungle can you tell us about your quest today? I'm with kaede in thinking today should be the last chance to get a quest done.

Ugh, action failed again. Fairly obvious I won't be getting a result here.

Jungle can you tell us about your quest today? I'm with kaede in thinking today should be the last chance to get a quest done.

As long as nobody counterclaims this I'm taking it as a innocent on Wilky.

I'll wait to hear Jungle's quest before voting anywhere.

This isn't the first time I've said this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway i've decided that im going to trust that OTM blocked dave last night, they did in the end block alchemist after a serious argument with me when we wanted to confirm a track (which in the end was unnecessary)

[Alchemist21]

Is Dave claiming to have been blocked?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Is Dave claiming to have been blocked?

He wouldnt know.

[YT2980]

Woops i didnt mean to say that out loud

Oh no kaede, you scumslipped!

I don’t think it hurts town for you to address any theories you might have, IMHO.



Alchemist: What’s daves night action? He can only know he’s blocked if he has a night action.

[GuyInFreezer]

5.01

Alchemist21 (1):

Dunnstral

davesaz (4):

punreader, Ankamius, Kokichi Oma

REAL MEN ONLY JUNGLE (1):

davesaz

Not Voting:

Ankamius, wilky YT2980, Alchemist21, Kaede Akamatsu

With

10

alive,

6

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-26 17:15:26)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Only roles that get information back know if they are roleblocked or if their action fails in some way, as wilky's supposed role is a slow cop it can fail due to targeting different people both nights, by for example the usage of a redirector, no one counter claiming being blocked means nothing because not all roles receive feedback if they are blocked, there's no evidence suggesting wilky was blocked, but there's evidence suggesting there's a potential for one of dave or punreader to have been blocked by OTM.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don’t think it hurts town for you to address any theories you might have, IMHO.

Basically i dont think Alchemist is that dumb to not know how a roleblocker interacts with other roles, including but not limited to non actioning ones (like VTs)
Like what, wilky comes claiming that his action failed when we spent a majority of day 3 telling OTM that it was possible they were redirected instead of roleblocked BECAUSE of alchemist's item that they gave to impossibear?
What evidence is there to them telling the truth about their role?
Why is he taking everything wilky says like it's the sole truth? And giving him an inno on top of that?

But what if alchemist roleblocked wilky in some way shape or form, or know they were roleblocked by the pressence of an still living 5th mafia member.

[Alchemist21]

Actually, for some reason I forgot about OTM saying they didn't block Wilky and the whole conversation about it and remembered Wilky as being one of OTM's targets during the game. I do derp sometimes.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That doesn't excuse your lack of mafia 101 tho.

[Alchemist21]

Which would be? I know how an rb interacts with roles without actions, I just don't know if Dave has an action or not and can't remember if he's claimed one way or the other.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Which would be? I know how an rb interacts with roles without actions, I just don't know if Dave has an action or not and can't remember if he's claimed one way or the other.

Yeah, he claimed no abilities other than being miller back in Day 1, but that's irrelevant, assuming someone without an action were to be roleblocked they wouldnt know they were, why were you asking for a counterclaim on being blocked?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also what are people thoughts on conducting a mass claim?

[YT2980]

5.01

Alchemist21 (1):

Dunnstral

davesaz (4):

punreader, Ankamius, Kokichi Oma

REAL MEN ONLY JUNGLE (1):

davesaz

Not Voting:

Ankamius, wilky YT2980, Alchemist21, Kaede Akamatsu

With

10

alive,

6

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-26 17:15:26)

Nice. rmoj’s vote has disappeared as of this vote count

Also what are people thoughts on conducting a mass claim?

I’m all for it, if necessary.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

hey guys sorry I didn’t check the thread

Today’s quest is easy: kaede just needs to be on the lynch today and the lynch must end on scum. HE will then unable to die by any means for 3 days and nights.