Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

[Gustavo]

If pointing out the contradictions of a player making a false against me and not doing it to the people actually guilty of it is terrible logic, then I never want to use correct logic.

[Garmr]

So you keep calling invisibility a low hanging fruit

I don’t think I ever called invisibility low hanging fruit. Lefty said I was scum because of my attacks on low hanging fruit. One of the low hanging fruit was invisibility. I never even voted him, I merely pointed out that he was guilty of the same thing he was accusing Byron of doing. That was me attacking low hanging fruit apparently

But he’s town reading (or was) everyone who was voting invisibility.

You tell me how that makes sense. If lhf is low hanging fruit and going after him is suspicious, why haven’t we heard lefty attack the other poeple voting him?

It was immediately after me pointing that out that lefty dropped his push on me and resorted to adhom attacks.

Who gets backed into a corner and starts making it personal? Town or scum?

Oh I see where your coming from now. After going back and looking back lefty was the first to call a Invisibility vote easy. He didn't use the words lynchbait so it didn't pop up.


Sorry......

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.11

Performer

(3): Tchill13, Gustavo, wavemode

Invisibility

(3): Garmr, Performer, ByronVilla

Gosrir Elmer Odels

(3): Invisibility, BlueBloodedToffee, Nosferatu

teacher

(2): Gosrir Elmer Odels, Lefty

Gustavo

(1): teacher

Tchill13

(1): Tommy Egan

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-06-25 14:45:00)

Mod Notes:

• Performer V/LA on weekends
• teacher V/LA on weekends

[wavemode]

the goal seems to be a 50 page day 1 so here's my contribution

O Thou dread PenguinPower, who reign'st above,
I know thou wilt me hear,
When for this scene of peace and love,
I make this prayer sincere.

The hoary Mod-the mortal stroke,
Long, long be pleas'd to spare;
To bless this little filial flock,
And show what good men are.

Byron, who his lovely offspring eyes
With tender hopes and fears,
O bless him with a mother's joys,
But spare a mother's tears!

Their hope, their stay, their darling BBT.
In manhood's dawning blush,
Bless him, Thou God of love and truth,
Up to a parent's wish.

The beauteous, seraph Lefty-band-
With earnest tears I pray-
Thou know'st the snares on ev'ry hand,
Guide Thou their steps alway.

When, soon or late, they reach that coast,
O'er Life's rough ocean driven,
May they rejoice, no wand'rer lost,
A family in Heaven!

[Nosferatu]

You should have posted stanzas separately if you wanted to really help

[Nosferatu]

I’m not sure how MS handles this tell, but seeing as how Gus is nearly at his post count on D1 as his recently completely scum game, I sort of doubt he’s scum here. I’m of the type that don’t believe scum (minus a very select number of players IME) can maintain that sort of activity.

It gets surprisingly easy if you complain about the same thing over and over again.

@Nos - do you have scum reads? Like your philosophy is cool and zen af but you haven’t expressed any sort of suspicion that I remember thus far.

I mentioned them earlier

[Lefty]

Fair point lol

[teacher]

Bueller?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

I’m down for a fast day. I’m getting ready to play a game that ends in 36 hours so I need practice

i'm down for not doing that

Invisibility. If somebody fos’d you for your comment disagreeing with you, you wouldn’t think that person was scum?

If I voted or fos’d you for disagreeing with me, you would just ignore it?

Only skimmed the posts, but I want to address this because it's ridiculous at this point.
@Gus: Retrospectively BV scumread(s) BBT because of a disagreement. That disagreement is slightly more nuanced (should town provide literally every piece of information, including everything about their townreads or not), but it still was/is the core of his read iirc. You townread BV for that interaction. So let's just move on from this drama of yours because it's taking up way too much space. (Just to make it as clear as possible: the problem is that your reasoning is bad. Scumreading others for NAI is NAI.)

[Gustavo]

You are confused because I’m not even referring to bv/bbt. I was referring to the ludicrous fos by performer.

But ignoring that fos. What has he done this game? Nothing. He has now promised content today but he hasn’t posted anything yet and the day is coming to an end, plus he’s v/la on weekends which means he will post something on Monday about needing to catch up (which he has already admitted to being behind).

I literally just won by the whole scum team lurking. Performer and tommy are straight up lurking, and your activity could be better also.

Nobody wants to lynch my scum reads so idk what else to do

[Performer]

I find it weird that even though BBT was calling me scum he never actually voted me. Is there something to be said there or not?

Hmm.

The issue I have about bbt is that he's always been hard to read, even moreso on day 1. I can't figure out if his posts overall are coming from town or from scum. Something his play does remind me of is when Titus and I were vt in a 14-player large normal, titus kept defending me on d1 iirc. It was the weirdest unexpected thing. So, I could see it coming from town but it's not unheard of coming from scum though. Still, I have him on null because his play is always so difficult to ascertain alignment on.
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Let’s start with the SRs on Tommy/Teacher.

I know tommy is low content but, again, there's still substance to his play that I don't like

his first point is idiotic but ok newbtown could say that

when he says "I don't like this, looks like it could come from a scum!BBT buddying a town!Gus" in response to BBT's "I second Gustavo's question." im already like... er wut? but then also in his own post he goes "This is a good point that you ignored BBT could you answer this question?" so its okay for him to second someone's question but it's not okay for BBT to?

then consider the context of the post, we were already well underway in the game and he goes "This games a weird one, on one hand some people have gotten too deep too early and on the other some are stuck in RVS." pretty pointless statement but also it sort of feels like a pseudo-apology for shallow analysis. when looking over how selectively he is trying to poke and prod for meaningless things to throw shade at people with it sounds like scum who knows he hasn't much to contribute but wants to try to explain it away with "well the game is weird". it sort of goes back to that proverb that the evil man runs when nobody is chasing him. on review of that combined with his general lurkiness it's enough for me to color him pink

What's your read on tommy now?
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The whole lefty vs gus conversation looks like tvt.

Lefty - what do you think of bbt, wave, gosrir, tommy, and nosferatu?

[Performer]

Nosferatu - has changed from sr to tr for me because he’s trying to talk to gustavo, such as on pg 24. Their interaction causes me to think nos is trying to lessen the cluttering in the thread. Scum would want to cause chaos, speed up a day to lessen information gleaned, and/or stall a day for strategic reason. I don’t get that tone from nos in the nos & gus interaction.

[Performer]

Skim notably I don’t see why Invis saying Gus looks Town for two different reasons in two different instances is something to question. Like Invis just strikes me as a player who reads stuff and says whatever comes to mind at the time and nothing more.

The problem is that's easy to fake as scum, along with the opportunistic vote he made.

He also has not shown himself to be scum

He most definitely has. But I just remembered you’re probably scum so I knew that was a Hail Mary. If town you’d vote a lurker and not make excuses for them.

At this point, do you have any other scumreads?

[Performer]

Pointing out other people rubs me the wrong way. It's double edge, one edge is "these people aren't considered scummy why am" I and the other is "you should scum read these people" Both messages are extremely bad and when you scratch the surface a little you can find plenty of reasons to treat why people would be different.

Pointing out suspicious behavior is something I’ve done all game though. You have to admit I make an excellent point in that post. I made such an excellent point lefty ignores it and drops his scum read on me. It’s kind of frustrating you’re the only one to react to it and somehow your interpretation is that I’m scummy, not him.

I’ve lost all hope in this game. Town would have been better off speeding through day 1 like I suggested. Now I’m fairly confident this game is going to end up like my scum game that just ended. Perfect scum victory.

Link me your scum game you just finished. Not because I think you're scum anymore, but for learning reasons.

Need to read teacher & chill ISOs. Don't know why garm is thinking chill is scummy, from his 633.
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offtopic:
Happy birthday, penguinpower!

[Performer]

@chill: to answer your question, this is how I post regardless of alignment. I try to be concise in getting my point across in every post, and am not as active like many players onsite. I'm sorry if that playstyle makes people say that's a reason for me being scummy, but I assure you guys, I'm town.

[wavemode]

oh damn pack it up boys, we were wrong on this one

he assured us

[Performer]

BBT, Lefty

lean town on invis

Gosrir, Gus, Tommy Egan, Wave

lean scum on byron, Nosferatu, Performer, Teacher

Did your read on nos change since 349?

I was not understanding the case on teacher so I did an ISO on him .
@teacher: based on your ISO, you've been solid on gust being scum for awhile, since 213. Any changes on that read?
Also, who are your other sr and why?

[Performer]

wave - it's been hard for me to read you, I have in my notes that you're still null. Your 527 mentioned you had garm & invis as null, and at the same time you wouldn’t be opposed to their lynches. Anything changed about your null on those 2?

[Gustavo]

At this point, do you have any other scumreads?

Lefty and bbt

[Performer]

At this point, do you have any other scumreads?

Lefty and bbt

..........

[Performer]

@gustavo let's try this then. Who are your townreads?

[Gustavo]

I don’t dislike wave, nos, and garmr.

[Invisibility]

Skim notably I don’t see why Invis saying Gus looks Town for two different reasons in two different instances is something to question. Like Invis just strikes me as a player who reads stuff and says whatever comes to mind at the time and nothing more.

The problem is that's easy to fake as scum

but why is it bad? wouldn't that just be NAI?

[Gustavo]

I don’t think performer knows what NAI is or means.

[Gustavo]

Link me your scum game you just finished. Not because I think you're scum anymore, but for learning reasons.

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