Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

Oh god damn it.

Why?

*shakes head*

Like seriously. You could have just let a wagon form on HWS and see what we get from wagon info from that. Why on earth did you fucking claim? Are you trying to protect HWS here?

Wait I don’t think scum would be that bad. You can be conf town.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Aronis

if you don't have something pretty big up on your sleeve and I'm being a idiot by not realizing I'm getting 101% salty with you post game Aronis

you've been fucking around so much that it's not even a joke anymore

Oh my god....please....stop.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Yuurei

explanations

even more when you had already retracted your scum read on me.

do you want me to do in details of why Aronis is fucking things up here?

It'll only benefit scum but I'm so pissed that I can do it right now.

that was yesterday.

Today is today.

I have no idea what the fuck aronis is on.

My scumreads are in you, vecna, RC and ank.

I have no idea what the fuck anyone is on and I am going to be in surgery on Tuesday so y’all are gonna get high Math.

[MathBlade]

no wait, hebichan must be town.

When she claimed that hws wasn't scum I thought that she was planning to carry out a Seer claim or something that would make us hesitate to lynch her later on, but claiming to be a PT investigative isn't going to prevent her lynch at all, therefore her motivation to do it either was a very well planned attempt to get town credit, or to purely inform us that HWS wasn't scum.

I don't believe that she would list out a very viable supposedly mislynch while not getting too much town credit like as how it happened. Not only that, I don't know if scum would fake claim something like PT investigative when it's kind of risky, although it seems reasonable based on the fact that it seems to exist a lot of private topics in this game.

Hmmm...yeah...I feel good calling Hebichan town right now. If anyone disagree you can say why.

why can't you understand that all the people I was hard scumreading were town?

Given that I have to look at the vote record,

and between you voting me and all around only voting town yesterday

, I don't know what else to tell you.

Hebichan, you realize that you voted on the same people right? and that you even were one of the late votes on Luna right?

but my read on you and Theta for example, although considers that, relies on plenty of other things as well

Plus, my top scum read from the begin of this game to now it's Theta. I wanted to vote Theta like 99% of the time in this game, cased her but no one gave a fuck. I only go to vote TGP or HWS later because I prefer them to a Luna lynch.

I understand you reevaluating things but it's your third read on me already and you don't have much to back it up

I didn't particularly strong town read your play yesterday, and I'm trying to revulate what happened. If you want me to stop voting you, get off this aronis bullshit and help me figure out where scum actually is because you don't seem to actually scumread him that hard.

No, I scum read him hardly, but I'm simply balancing things because he can simply be a VI this time around.

By the way, I think that my suggestion to who to lynch is pretty clear and no one pointed out anything wrong with it:

THETA.

I could do Theta but I really really want Vecna.

Theta to be frank is someone who if they are scum as I suspect will crumble rather easily under pressure. However people like that don’t spew other buddies either.

And don’t be mad but Aronis is almost certainly town. I doubt the mason claim but I am pretty sure he is town.

[MathBlade]

I kinda just preempted the HWS thing, both because hes an easy mislynch given my misread and also he is a lurker.

I also didn't want to be called out on flipping on HWS out of the blue.

....

That’s why you wait until it is absolutely necessary to say something. Like I am SUPER good at crumb hunting. You trust me. I will 100% defend those who I believe are town to my last dying breath. I may be a fucking idiot. I may be loud. But have faith that I can and will protect those I believe are town.

[Yuurei]

I could do Theta but I really really want Vecna.

Theta to be frank is someone who if they are scum as I suspect will crumble rather easily under pressure. However people like that don’t spew other buddies either.

And don’t be mad but Aronis is almost certainly town. I doubt the mason claim but I am pretty sure he is town.

no, now I can see Aronis maybe as town. Because I think he had noticed the Definition mason claim back there and was having similar thoughts with Vecna about you guys.

However one thing about him still is ??? to me.

Anyway, the problem is that I don't really scum read either you or Vecna, and I don't get what's up with Definition/Ankameus slot.

But if I had to choose between giving you or Vecna a town read, I think I would choose Vecna honestly.

Though maybe scum is outside of you guys. Who knows.

[MathBlade]

ok, so I cooled my head a bit and here is where I'm at now:

I. Vecna was the first one to share the information that there potentially may exist werewolves aligned with town. Something that doesn't have much scum motivation to it since we were assuming that werewolf = scum, and human = town. If there's werewolves aligned with town there may very well be humans aligned with scum and exposing that isn't doing any favors to the bad guys. It's actually the opposite.

......Like are you listening to yourself right now? I have a fucking idea why it’s pro scum. Think varsoon games or twilight or almost any goddamn series with superheroes. There is always THAT guy. That is why it’s pro scum.

II. Hebichan recently did claim a innocent on hewhoswims since he apparently aren't in any PT (and scum very probably has a PT), so Hebichan and Hewhoswims seems like town

III. Aronis and Nosferatus have their claim and I'm going to look at that later depending of how things develop, for now they can get out of my lynch pool but I'm upset with Aronis anyway

Aronis should have never been in it and the mason thing is a joke. Aronis does this. Along with be a Facebook meme asking what your favorite X is at the start of the game

IV. Creature has some posts being too jerky and condensing to be scum!Creature in my opinion (for example 654 677, 682), if I'm wrong here call me out because I'm no specialist in Creature.

Creature is town. And if he isn’t (which doesn’t match this at all) his scum play is so fucking horrible he will be caught by everyone here.

My issue is with Ankamius and Mathblade.

> Ankamius after hebichan claimed to be a PT investigative asked if her requested PT would count in hebichan investigation, I would like to town read it but maybe she's trying to get a excuse to use in case of hebichan getting a guilty on her. However, the thing is, why didn't she waited until hebichan investigated her if that was the case? I want to town lean but I'm indecise here

Leave Ank alone. She is town

> Same thing can be said about Math. He instantly counterclaimed Luna even when his role is apparently a bit different. That kinda implies that he truly thought Luna was scum fake claiming because if he was scum, he would know she wasn't lying and when she flipped a neighborizer, things would get ugly to him. Of course there is the probability of him not thinking it through and just claiming for a quick lynch, but again, I'm indecise but I want to town lean here

I need a facepalm GiF and a ton of ice cream from my kitchen

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Now, the funny thing is that I'm losing confidence in all of my d1 reads. I'm obviously not one that can blame her since I did it myself, but NSG is lurking. NSG lurking isn't necessarily alignment indicative, maybe she's simply disinterested in the game. However, it's not a good sign.

About RC I'm more leaning towards null. His frustration in day 1 seemed genuine because I saw a game that he was in such a situation, so I uninterested in a lynch here right now even though I'm null on him.

Keychain is...well...normal...? I mean, I don't see anything scummy in her posts (I'll re:read), however I don't see anything that can't be faked as well. Even if she seems to put effort in scum hunting.

The rest of the player list I don't have much to say, they have good points but have bad points so compared to my other reads, I'm putting they in my lynch pool.

That's all I guess.

[MathBlade]

Now we're talking Cheeky!

VOTE: Theta

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

Alright this is the start. This right here. This is where I explain to all you people why im very obviously town, and why im HIGHLY suspicious of a bunch of people.

Go ahead and google three-pronged trouser god + mafiascum + kuribo. Its a soft for a mason.

I can hide it some more, but scum is 100% guaranteed to have figured this on day one, or by now. Aronis figured it out im sure, and there were a bunch of others as well.

Now im not sure whether this was supposed to be a "well-hidden" soft or not, but it allready seemed extremely careless to me to soft mason in this way. Maybe it did happen. Maybe theyre town, scum didnt figure it out, and I just outted them. The chances scum doesnt know it yet (IF DEFINITION/ANK are town) seems extremely low to me, thats why I want to townclear myself and get rid of all this suspicions.

So options:

A: Ank is town mason. Scum figured it out, and want me to distract and go head-to-head to ankamius, and figured A50 was a better kill even though they didnt know if he was a PR.

B: Its a scum fakeclaim provided by Mastina. It would fit with the role that Hebichan is claiming here. Provide a reasonable fakeclaim to deal with a PT-cop in case scum get caught.

Im not sure which of the two it is. Ill provide more on some other stuff I noted along the way though in the next post.

......Can you like NOT out people are softing?

Wait you’re scum.

Nevermind go scumclaim harder.

[MathBlade]

wait, I honestly hadn't even saw that post from definition but I dunno if scum figured it out or not, and I searched it up and it seems like that was the name of a hydra from some old players, and apparently, the unique game they played they were indeed a town mason.

But I dunno if that really was a soft...

I believe it is a soft but not for mason and that is ALL I will say on that. It’s why I discouraged A50 from starting up definition stuff.

[MathBlade]

RC is town.

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

***Erase erase erase ***

Pretty sure anyone voting Definition is gonna learn the definition of smack down.

***Erase erase erase ***

I suggest we all do pressure this slot (Definition) to either post or replace out. Ankamius is at the top of the replacements queue, and I believe there are enough players who can read her in this game.

P-edit: Mathblade? Help with Definition?

No. I have reasons. Not sure how much I can say. But look at my response to their post. Not interested in their lynch today.

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

Bad vote.

Because I said so. Look at my response.

And this is why I was suspicious of Mathblade in connection. He clearly saw the soft as well. Yet the way how he keeps putting attention on it.......does not feel like a town trying to protect another town PR whatsoever.

Ive asked Ankamius repeatedly how she felt about Mathblade being to obvious repeatedly, but she didnt seem to mind/respond to it at all.

So hey, tell me if im being crazy. I do not think its a stretch at all that Mathblade and definition were cooking up a scum fakeclaim here. Maybe its mathblade as scum doing something. Maybe im seeing ghosts and theyre both town.

It all feels suspicious as hell to me though.

Especially the way Mathblade was threading around the Luna claim. Felt to me like he realized the fakeclaim they were going for had to change. Having a masonizer and a town Neighbouriser in one game could be seen as weird.

Now I -might- be wrong here. Im not 100% convinced this is what happened, and that it is scum. But it should explain to people why ive been saying the things ive been saying, and had the reads ive had.

so please, use some logic. If im scum here, I wouldve known which of these were town pr's, I wouldve shut up about it, and just eliminated all of them one by one.

So let me get this straight.

You’re assuming as scum i would go

“Hey look!!! This is a town PR!! And proceed not to kill it?!?!?!”

I then counterclaim someone I believed I was scum claiming and no I must be scum lying about having a hood despite the fact I have made it abundantly clear I crumbed since post one and Luna’s claim was absolutely bullshit. So yes I will have my “scum buddies” *cough* neighbors *cough* vouch for me.

Like if you are town you are so far up the OMG Math sucks train simply because I am here. I haven’t driven a damn thing or tried to push or control AT ALL. The only thing I did was CC Luna and then Keychain brought up a valid point.

[MathBlade]

That vote stays there untill I get the same game-solvey vibe from you Mathblade. So far you've been leading the inquisition on both Luna and TGP, but when it came time to put them into the grave you didnt vote for a week and stayed at a safe distance.

Ive lost the town vibes on your slot, and I think this type of "going in on a fake-claim" would be exactly how you'd approach scum in a game like this.

I am literally bending over backwards in a role designed for someone like Titus or you trying my damndest to make it work and doing my damndest to make sure town is not going to implode on itself and I am doing my damndest NOT to be pissed at you Vecna.

This only works if I am not leader Mc Leaderson and I am shut up listen and stop my townreads from fucking eating each other.

I am sorry I am not Civ Mafia me. No one wants that me.

[MathBlade]

Ok

Let's fix it

What are your thoughts on the current gangstas?

I wanted to write gamestate but that auto correct was too good to resist

Lol in regards to the gamestate I just know something is wrong.

If the majority townread were right then scum would try to counter that somehow
If the majority townread aren’t right then scum would have control of the game to their advantage.

Like nothing happening is the gamestate atm which is confusing af.

Mainly my townreads all seem to townread each other so that seems good but at the same time I am deliberately avoiding stating townreads in case scum don’t understand the crumb of Math so like I think we are in a good spot.

What pisses me off and worried me a small bit is the apathy. It seems scum driven especially with 3 headed hydra receiving a prod.

Like if scum want me to be vocal so they can prop me up with all the wrong things I say but since I am not due to RL and other things then they may be scared of actually doing something accidentally invoking tunnel me?

That’s my fear atm.

Hammertime? Anyone?

you've been hard up my ass about reading things before posting before, so I don't see an issue of expecting you to pay attention to what's going on before making calls like that

Yay common fucking sense.

[MathBlade]

Now I am very limited access until Tuesday of which I may be higher than a kite on pain meds from surgery

Just please for the love of townie don’t do any stupid shit while I am AFK.

Vecna or Theta.

[Yuurei]

Vecna or Theta.

Still don't get Vecna thing but yeah, Theta is good.

now I'll go back to watch anime and lurk

thanks for you attention everyone

[mastina]

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[mastina]

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[Nosferatu]

oh ok

[Ankamius]

My favorite part about this game so far is that Vecna is thinking scum was planning on letting him and myself 1v1 today as a reason they would kill Almost50

You know... instead of Almost50 being pretty blatantly town. In a gamestate where killing the most town-looking people is a very valid, if not optimal choice.

[Ankamius]

btw that's not necessarily scummy, just hilarious

The contents of that post is pretty wtf though

[Ankamius]

ehhhh

Anyone want to give me a rough rundown on how a lot of these wagons throughout day one started? These VCs are hard to read and I'm not in the mood to isolate them all into bitesize chunks

[MathBlade]

V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday

[Vecna]

Now we're talking Cheeky!

VOTE: Theta

This started before I could complete my pre-game agenda. I feel numb inside but as I read this

a wagon seems like an efficient method of transportation

I feel as though gravity has alleviated its grip a bit. I hope we're dealing with the three-pronged trouser god, btw

My name is kuribo, and I'm a certified G, and a bonafied stud. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is T-Bone. And he's seven foot tall. And you can't. Teach. That.
And this right here, this is Untrod Tripod. And he's hot as hell. And you can't Teach. That.
Badaboom, Realest hydra in the room! HOW YOU DOIN'?
If we had two dimes for every time someone mislynched us, we'd have ZERO DIMES.
There's just one word to describe anyone that tries to wagon us, and we're gonna... Spell it out for ya:
S
A
W
F
T
SAAAAAAAAAWFT
Concept

I'll catch up soon.

Alright this is the start. This right here. This is where I explain to all you people why im very obviously town, and why im HIGHLY suspicious of a bunch of people.

Go ahead and google three-pronged trouser god + mafiascum + kuribo. Its a soft for a mason.

I can hide it some more, but scum is 100% guaranteed to have figured this on day one, or by now. Aronis figured it out im sure, and there were a bunch of others as well.

Now im not sure whether this was supposed to be a "well-hidden" soft or not, but it allready seemed extremely careless to me to soft mason in this way. Maybe it did happen. Maybe theyre town, scum didnt figure it out, and I just outted them. The chances scum doesnt know it yet (IF DEFINITION/ANK are town) seems extremely low to me, thats why I want to townclear myself and get rid of all this suspicions.

So options:

A: Ank is town mason. Scum figured it out, and want me to distract and go head-to-head to ankamius, and figured A50 was a better kill even though they didnt know if he was a PR.

B: Its a scum fakeclaim provided by Mastina. It would fit with the role that Hebichan is claiming here. Provide a reasonable fakeclaim to deal with a PT-cop in case scum get caught.

Im not sure which of the two it is. Ill provide more on some other stuff I noted along the way though in the next post.

......Can you like NOT out people are softing?

Wait you’re scum.

Nevermind go scumclaim harder.

Holy shit, are you kidding me right now? I literally quoted 4 of your posts earlier that all were pointing towards the softing post, and very blatantly stating something was going on in that post. You were putting direct attention on it all throughout day1. And THAT is the reason why I think youre extremely scummy here.

You did not show any hesitation in pointing it out repeatedly, even when there was absolutely zero pressure on Definition.

Have a discussion with me then. Did you really think, that if there was even anyone slightly capable on the scumteam, they wouldnt figure it out the same way you did? Is that what you want us to believe here? Because I have to believe a town Mathblade would like to protect their masons, and not push attention to their softs repeatedly. Thats what I would believe a scum Mathblade would do, to insure they could later refer to them softing to be mason buddies with their scum buddies.

Like Mathblade, if youre town here, and you DID do this you need to owe up to it. Im pretty sure ive done my obv-town thing here and im gonna be unlynchable for a very long time. Im just straight up telling you, im invested town this game, and youre NOT gonna be able to lynch me. There is no Ginngie in this game, so im pretty sure im good. So if youre town, realize that you have set yourself up to look bad. Realize that I have a very valid argument here, something I would not expect town Math to do.

[Vecna]

My favorite part about this game so far is that Vecna is thinking scum was planning on letting him and myself 1v1 today as a reason they would kill Almost50

You know... instead of Almost50 being pretty blatantly town. In a gamestate where killing the most town-looking people is a very valid, if not optimal choice.

If you and Mathblade are town together, this is indeed EXACTLY what I would expect a scumteam with RC (or another capable person that can foresee how people will respond to eachother) on it to do. However, ill grant it to you I have a habit of going moonlogic^2 and seeing connections everwhere, even when they dont exist.

Im working with two to three different scenario's in my head right now. But I do feel that if you are indeed town, the fact that they choose to kill A50 over a softed mason or whatever it is you are, probably does have some implications on the scum mindset. Like, in this scenario, I find it very possible that Aronis could be the scum-hero, coming to my rescue, buddying up to me, seeing everything im seeing just to feed into my paranoia. I know its extremely self-centered, but if Mathblade is town for example, itll fuel certain things. Ugly, very pro-scum things. Strategically speaking it'd be quite clever (Theres your answer RC).

[Ankamius]

RC knows I'm garbage when I'm conftown and don't already have a good read on the game.

If he actually believed that I was a mason, he wouldn't kill me. No way in hell.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Vecna