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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:25 pm

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In post 199, OnlyIAmMe wrote:If not, why did you encourage me to place my vote on FC? Why say this now instead of when fc was being waggonned?
Are you talking about when i said this?:
In post 93, stan1ey wrote:Why FC? and its probably better to vote than to not vote, he only has 2 votes atm so its better to put your vote there than to not vote anyone at all. nobody is getting lynched for a long time
i dont understand what you are saying. this quote is me telling you he only has 2 votes so if you want to vote for him go ahead itll only put him on l-2??? surely if i thought l-2 is a bad thing i would tell you NOT to vote for him?
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:00 pm

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In post 191, stan1ey wrote:i think town players are more likely to be hasty than scum players. the mafia want to stay under everyones radar
This is a fallacy. :]
Especially in newbie-games I've seen more "strong" scumplayers who try to take control of the town, than the quiet underlying type.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:08 pm

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Welcome MyloN - I believe we have met a few times before?
I think this game has already been moving to a more productive direction for a while now which is great! :]
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:12 pm

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Yes, we have met twice before! And this does indeed look like a productive game here, I'm feeling pretty confident on this one.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:18 pm

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In post 182, Myloninja13 wrote:I'm going to have to check up on scum and town Una, because I'm seeing a few things that remind of both.
..and I'm actually interested to hear about this, because I don't think my scumgame is easily distinguishable from my towngame.. :] (#arrogant)
I'd also like to point out, that I've been caught as scum in a newbie game (the only time I was scum in one!) only because of a Cop-check.. :roll: (#salty)
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:25 pm

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Don't worry, the reason why I'm seeing things that remind me of both is that they're similar lol. For now though, I think this reminds me more of the town game I played with you.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:54 pm

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Ircher
- Very methodical and his points make sense to me.
Stan1ey
- Right now this is gut, I'll put it into words why exactly I'm townreading Stan1ey soon.
Lefty
- Is engaged with the game and is making a point of interacting with people.

Null

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- Seems pretty neutral for the time being, hard to sort at the moment.
Myloninja13
- Gonna wait for more content before commenting

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KernelRunaway
- Isn't scumhunting at all, waiting for reads promised.
OnlyIAmMe
- Probably a bit early to be doing this but the timing of feels odd. He also questions his initial townread on Lefty after then voting for him. Typically I'd say that this is actually a town trait but the wording of it seems strange so it could also be him trying to cover himself.
UnaBombah
- Besides the points that Ircher mentioned this is also a gut read. There's something about Una's posting that makes me think the slot is scum but I'm not sure what exactly that is.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:00 am

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VOTE: UnaBombah
That is L-1. Nobody else should vote Una without first declaring intent to hammer.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:03 am

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Woah, okay this is fast. I'm going to check up on my games with Una now.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:43 am

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In post 207, Draynth wrote:VOTE: UnaBombah
That is L-1. Nobody else should vote Una without first declaring intent to hammer.
Also would like to point out that the normal "procedure" here is to ask for a claim for the one put on L-1 if people deem it necessary. (we often do)
In a situation like this though, where the wagon was formed so fast and early in the game, there might be reason for the L-1'd player NOT to claim.
I will, however, claim if someone claims intent to hammer AFTER Mylo and Kernel have caught up.

I expect everyone to respect the above and offer me a chance to speak my mind before(/if) a hammer is cast.
:]

I also want everyone to think now what this potential lynch-to-happen gives you guys for the coming days.
I'm going to flip town - do you feel confident you know where the scum are in relation to this wagon?
1 or 2 on/off the wagon?
Did scum push this wagon to movement, or did they hop on after?

And while I independently scumread Lefty for previous pages content -
I hope people will not hold it as gospel that necessarily either one of us is scum in the end.

I've seen too many newbie games lost because people always assume after a townflip, that their most outspoken "adversary" is automatically scum!
Townies disagree with each other a lot too. :lol: (but really, do pay attention to Lefty if I'm forced to flip :igmeou: )

I really want to give my up to date reads and reactions to my wagon after work, so please hold off voting me at least until then.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:59 am

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Happy Father’s Day! Won’t be around much, and I’d like to see Una claim before I weigh in.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:54 am

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@stan1ey if you don't think l-2 is a bad thing, why did you not say this about the reason fc was being waggoned? Also, if you did think it was a bad thing, how would you know what to do, vote the person who originally l-2'd, or the one who l-2'd the l-2'er?
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:47 am

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OnlyIAmMe wrote:@stan1ey if you don't think l-2 is a bad thing, why did you not say this about the reason fc was being waggoned? Also, if you did think it was a bad thing, how would you know what to do, vote the person who originally l-2'd, or the one who l-2'd the l-2'er?
I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.
i do not think putting someone at L-2 is a bad thing
and i havent said otherwise in this entire thread so i dont know where you are getting this idea from. i am 99% sure nobody voted for FC solely becuase he put someone on L-2, again i have no idea what you are talking about
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:21 am

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Just trying to make another case. I'm talking about the fact that you
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say that putting someone at l-2 id a bad thing. I'm 99% sure that was the main reason--joining a wagon and putting an l-2 vote on someone.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:36 am

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In post 213, OnlyIAmMe wrote:Just trying to make another case. I'm talking about the fact that you
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say that putting someone at l-2 id a bad thing. I'm 99% sure that was the main reason--joining a wagon and putting an l-2 vote on someone.
why would i say putting someone at L-2 is a bad thing? I
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think putting someone at L-2 is bad. i dont understand where you have got this idea from. i am so confused by this line of questioning rn
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am

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I meant to say isn't a bad thing.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:17 am

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In post 215, OnlyIAmMe wrote:I meant to say isn't a bad thing.
this entire conversation started because I said it wasn't a bad thing
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:38 am

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Yes, it did. You might've been better off if you didn't say that.
Stan1ey, why did you only say it wasn't a bad thing qhen I said "why is there not a wagon on stan1ey"? Why did you not say it during the FC wagon?
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:00 am

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In post 217, OnlyIAmMe wrote:Yes, it did. You might've been better off if you didn't say that.
Stan1ey, why did you only say it wasn't a bad thing qhen I said "why is there not a wagon on stan1ey"? Why did you not say it during the FC wagon?
read your post 199. you acknowledge the fact that i DID say this during the FC wagon... maybe i am being stupid but this conversation seems pointless and i dont understand your point at all
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:05 am

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im gonna let someone else weigh in before replying to this again as we keep going in circles and i dont really know what it is we are talking about
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:17 am

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My post 199 says that if you don't think l-2 is a bad thing, if you disagree on why someone is voted why would you tell others to vote them?
Not once did you say "don't vote FC! L-2 isn't bad!"
This conversation isn't pointless for me. It lets me see how you respond against attacks(even "pointless" ones) and how you try to defend yourself.
Know that I do not care what others say about this attack. This is supposed to be just me and you, I think.
We shouldn't be going in circles. I want to know why you said the message about l-2 when you thought it'd benefit you but not FChariot?
I'm not understanding what you're not understanding.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:24 am

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Assuming scum!you, you could have tried to defend fc woth the not bad l-2 argument. Results:

Town fc attacks you for defending or thinks are pocketing. Not good.
Town fc trusts stan1ey. Good.
Town fc is myslynched, pocketing fails.???
Scum fc attacks stan1ey. Depends?
Scum fc works with scum stan1ey to mislynch others. Not sure?
Scum fc/stan1ey is lynched. Other is suspicious. Good for town.

Any other outcomes, people, if scum! Stan1ey defended fc? Or is this all wrong and I'm an idiot for thinking these scenarios?
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:27 am

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With my outcomes i think if that is the scumteam, stan1ey would have no good outcome for defending. If town, there is a chance of one(even if it looks susp). The suspicious part about pocketing is why scum!stan1ey would not do this. They wouldnt bus either. This is why scum!stan1ey didn't defend fc.

Assuming scum!stan and my own belief of stan's playstyle.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:30 am

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Stan, my point is the above.
You defend yourself but not others. Town should also try and find other town, not just scum.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 am

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Too many posts?

Why would town stan not defend fc in this situation, Una? Aren't you the one to ask for game theory questions?

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