Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

[Gustavo]

@Gus: Have you gone back to look at BV's scumread on BBT?

No but from what I remember bv’s scum read was for being an ass. I also didn’t defend bv like you say I did.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

From BV: 107
From you: 132, 162

[Gustavo]

From BV: 107
From you: 132, 162

Just because I town read somebody doesn’t mean I defended his actions

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

You defended him from being lynched. Are you just trying to be contrarian, or have you forgotten what we're arguing about?

[Lefty]

Okay, guys, I need an opinion. If what I'm saying is stupid, just tell me to shut up.

Invis is ascetic. His play was such that it (1) encouraged being investigated (2) discouraged being protected & (3) encouraged being killed (by town.)
(1) is harmful, (2) & (3) have little to no advantages. So that's a scumpoint, I think. Am I right?

Why can’t this just be Invis’s play without any of the above motives?

You’re applying narrative again.

[Tchill13]

Oh lord. Don't compare me to my last games wave lol.

It's a red flag that you're defending invisible and you want him in the game.

[Gustavo]

You defended him from being lynched. Are you just trying to be contrarian, or have you forgotten what we're arguing about?

You are trying to compare me thinking bv’s stupidity about bbt being an ass is AI and pv’ fos’ing me for my opinions of day one are somehow similar and they aren’t.

That’s what I thought we were talking about but clearly you tbink were talking about something else.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@Lefty: In the game WM mentioned, there was a discussion about whether Ascetics should be policy lynched (there was also a softish claimlike thing on page 1.) Ascetics are a liability to town, so obviously I expect town to try to counterbalance that in one way or another.

@Gus: They are similar. They're essentially the same.

[Invisibility]

i'm not

[ByronVilla]

I'm starting to not like this Invis wagon. I feel like scum Invis would've done more stuff in response to it. The claim is dodgy but I like the rest of his new posts.

UNVOTE: Invisibility

I'll look into a new vote tomorrow.

[Gustavo]

Gus: They are similar. They're essentially the same.

No it isn’t. His read was based on how bbt was playing. It’s understandable for somebody to scum read somebody for being an ass.

Performer fos’d me based on my personal opinion and not by my play.

Completely different

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Byron

[Tchill13]

If Byron is scum doesn't make sense to unvote invisibility here.

@bbt

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@Gus: 1. BV wasn't scumreading BBT for being an ass. It boiled down to whether town should give out every piece of information or not. 2. You made your comment on D1-length in the game. It's part of the game, trying to use it to deduce alignment is legitimate.

[Gustavo]

It boiled down to whether town should give out every piece of information or not.

Right. He wanted bbt to put info and bbt didn’t want to iirc. That’s being an ass.

That’s different than my opinion of day 1.

If you disagree that’s fine. This conversation is basically a rehash of what’s been discussed before just with a new stupid spin on it.

[Tchill13]

Could gosrir be scum for fueling discussions that don't matter?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

At least you put a spin on it then, apparently...

[Tchill13]

Gus really needs to stop participating in NAI discussions.

Scum is in a great spot. Thread is bogged down. We don't want to deal with low activity players. We can't decide on a lynch.

This is why day 1 lynches don't matter.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If Byron is scum doesn't make sense to unvote invisibility here.

@bbt

Not saying I entirely disgaree, but why not? I could see scum!Byron unvoting here.

[Tchill13]

For what? Him to get ran up at the end of d1 since we ain't lynching invisibility? Only way Byron unvoted is if he is scum with invisibility.

We will know that by d3 if that's the case.

Byron is 80 percent town.

Whats the case for him unvoting if he's scum in your opinion?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because we have a claim and scum can try and run someone else up. There is no certainty that if Invis isn't the lynch it will fall on Byron.

Not to mention that Byron's 'I like Invis' latest posts' was a load of shit. Looks like overjustification for leaving a wagon. How can he like Invis' latest posts?

[ByronVilla]

Because we have a claim and scum can try and run someone else up. There is no certainty that if Invis isn't the lynch it will fall on Byron.

Not to mention that Byron's 'I like Invis' latest posts' was a load of shit. Looks like overjustification for leaving a wagon. How can he like Invis' latest posts?

Here's how, the posts are consistent with the way he's been posting. Posts like:

this has been a bad game for me

lol

lol

Whilst being kinda useless, are consistent with the style that Invis has been posting. I feel like Scum!Invis would've flat out just not posted these post, where really he's persistent with them. I understand this isn't the best theory, but my gut just doesn't sit well with this wagon. It feels like a lynch everyone just kinda mutually agrees on, and something that scum can very easily be pushing just to get D1 over and done with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why isn't that scum giving up?

[ByronVilla]

Why isn't that scum giving up?

Is scum were giving up they wouldn't be making additional posts no? Why claim if they're scum giving up? The motives clash there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean after the claim.

The claim is the last ditch attempt to save themselves. After that, it's YOLO. Give away the least amount of information as possible.

I think I asked Invis for reads. If town, why would you not make that your priority. Why 'lol' post instead?

I refuse to believe you can town read Invis off of his posting after his claim.