Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[mastina]

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Votecount 2-4 (44) Simple

Theta Alpine - 3 (CheekyTeeky, Yuurei, MathBlade)

Vecna - 3 (Nosferatu, Theta Alpine, hebichan)

Yuurei - 1 (Aronis)
MathBlade - 1 (Vecna)
Keychain - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 6 (HeWhoSwims, Creature, RadiantCowbells, Keychain, projectmatt, Ankamius)

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[Theta Alpine]

I'm near 100% that at least one scum started in a hood, mastina thinks in terms of unintended consequences and if the hood always vigged and the neighbourizer was lynched D1 the pt cop becomes a full cop and I also think it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's a town neighbourizer, town vig, then s hood with only town that can neighbourize and vig. Maybe if the other kill ends up being a serial killer but I'd expect knife flavour.

Phone posting sucks

How are you doing key?

they would not be full cop unless the pt cop got invited to the hood and thus would know where the false positives would be

speaking of which that probably is a good idea math + other people in that hood [although i am not certain how much longer hebi will survive after that claim]

flavor spec the second night kill was --found shot-- which does not seem like a wolf kill but i would not be certain that it is a town controlled kill either

logically there should be at least 1 scum off the wagon in {Creature, key, yuurei, nsg, arcangel, ank}

so what's the deal? I townread to some degree all of these people. Did Luna's wagon strike you guys as a particularly scum-driven wagon?

true
though creature is starting to be lurky and that scares me

lunas wagon was not scum-driven
it was town giving up on that day being useful
i personally made the wrong play there and should have pushed for my own lynch that day since i personally believed luna novas claim
and i am also fully aware that i have been used as mislynch bait in a few other games [specifically mod is mafia] and getting that out of the way day 1 would have helped

my definition thing was silly
i should have noticed it was a soft but got a little confused and somehow thought they were that hydra instead
and then when math pushed me on it i could not really explain it without giving away the fact that it was a soft

hebi + masons on its own makes sense by the way
more false positives for their ability

setup-spec wise though
masons + cult-lite + neighborizer is pretty over the top and scum would have to have a lot in order to make up for it
the fact scum could get an additional kill through maths neighborhood helps balance it out somewhat but not enough

[Nosferatu]

No, not really.

Me neither, which is what especially irks me when looking back on my reads.

why do you townread arcangel or nsg nos?

I townread nsg because of her keychain gambit, but the flaking is a pretty bad omen.

I townread arcangel because she has made posts with a level of cluelessness that would amaze me if they came from scum, especially since I assume there's daytalk, the last mastina game I remember finishing had daytalk.

{Yuurei, arcangel, math, RC, HWS, Creature, matt} are my town pool right now.

I have to re-think my scumreads cause very cursory VCA make them look sort of ludicrous.

Whats your read on key chain?

I have a slight townread on keychain from his reaction to the gambit. I would have expected him to get upset, like scum caught for the wrong reasons or something.

[Theta Alpine]

the last mastina game i played had daytalk as well
but that was mod is mafia

that said
luna nova and almost50 had access to their pts at all times

and ooh

mastina

would almost50s jail warden passive have triggered a positive for a hypothetical pt checker

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you mean not enough to balance out scum

We have no idea what scum have

[MathBlade]

I'm near 100% that at least one scum started in a hood, mastina thinks in terms of unintended consequences and if the hood always vigged and the neighbourizer was lynched D1 the pt cop becomes a full cop and I also think it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's a town neighbourizer, town vig, then s hood with only town that can neighbourize and vig. Maybe if the other kill ends up being a serial killer but I'd expect knife flavour.

Phone posting sucks

How are you doing key?

No,no,no,and just hell no.

RC are you scum? Cuz this is all kinda of bad.

If anything Hebichan is designed to give false positives.
Almost50 with the jailkeeper.
Luna Nova with the neighborizer.
If anything the powers are designed to where we shoot ourselves in the foot.
What is a great way to make a vig weaker? Force agreement.
What is a great way to make a recruit weaker? Force agreement.

If anything this points to the hood being all town no scum in it at all.

[MathBlade]

Thank you for killing off my suspicions of your slot 100% again RC. Its almost scary how similair my thoughts are on most of the people.

What are your thoughts, from setup spec pov, on both having 2 masons and a PT cop in an 18p game?

Flavourwise, having a scum traitor in the Mathblade hood would be A+. Having the traitor to try and guess whose it teammates are to try and get them into the hood to take it over would be amazingly fun design.

Again, I don’t think that is a mason crumb and you’re completely still assuming it is, still assuming the wrong things I corrected you on before. Like...Just no.

Poll time RC+Vecna is that a thing or am I moon logicking?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't particularly care about your setup spec regardless of your alignment.

[MathBlade]

I am assuming that Ankamius is a member of the MB hood rather than a mason

Now assume Ank is in my hood.

Why would she ask if her personal PT would trigger it?

She would know my hood would

Like RC is NOT this bad.

[MathBlade]

Since im not too familiar with Hebichan - how large do you think the possibility that a scum Hebi could ever be convinced by her teammates to inno on HWS?

Like, the scenario works quite well both ways. Town Hebi makes a decent ammount of sense to be scanning HWS to gain more intel on the third option of yesterday.

Scum Hebi would also be the prime candidate to fake an inno on an important teammate (power-wise) to save it, given hear near unanimously townread status. Im guessing 15 players left alive, of which 4 most likely being scum is quite a decent cut-off point where scum -could- get away with it.

Im not saying this at all because I think Hebi is scum, but in a world with a PT cop, and a mason softing Ankamius (who is feeling somewhat town'esque to me by now) some prodding there does feel slightly warranted.

My issue here is ank asked if a personal pt would proc my ability, why ask that if you had any sort of pt that would?

It's like trying to set up a fakeclaim retroactively.

Correct which means Vecna is spamming Ank mason to avoid hunting.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Mathblade

That's the end of my patience for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Been ~fairly sure math was scum for the last two days but I think there's only one scum in her hood so I wanted more info but I'm fine just lynching here.

[MathBlade]

Been ~fairly sure math was scum for the last two days but I think there's only one scum in her hood so I wanted more info but I'm fine just lynching here.

And now you’re blatantly trying to piss me off.

RC+Vecna

Fucking called it.

[RadiantCowbells]

His hood. My bad.

Stand by my scumread there and I scumread that reaction even more so let's do this thing!

[MathBlade]

If you were town you would be helping me to sort Vecna and see if it needed a reset as it keeps spamming Ank is a mason.

Masons have PTs.
Ank asked if her personal PT would show up
And therefore is not a mason.

You need rope. Vecna needs rope.

I am BoPing your ass.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cheeky vecna sheep me

[Theta Alpine]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

[RadiantCowbells]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

As a public deterrent to being investigated, yeah.

Also I clearly stated that I misremembered Nosferatu making the post so math if he was actually trying to figure out my thought process would understand the error: this is math looking for an inconsistency to jump on me for.

[MathBlade]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not that math saying stupid shit is specifically a scumtell

But math cc'ing the neighbourizer and then backing off of it strikes me as more self aware than Mathblade usually is as town

And this sudden deathtunnel from them is a hard scumclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

And just if math was Titus I'd be 100% sure he's scum for tonal reasons and that tell usually applies well across siblings.

[Theta Alpine]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Mathblade

[Ankamius]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

I'd be either trying to avoid investigations entirely or not give a shit regardless of alignment

seriously, investigating me is almost never a good idea regardless of my alignment

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: Mathblade

Why?