In post 51, nonny wrote:Maybe you didn't read his post, but I did. Claiming my role would be a last resort.
I just find it kind of ironic that in my next post I clarify that I'm female and yet you got it wrong. It doesn't bug me, but it speaks to you actually reading my posts or not...
You're right, my bad Bins. I'm notoriously bad at gender, usually try to avoid it. Going back through from the reply page doesn't show avatars or gender
GuerillaWoo wrote:Nonny I'm tone reading you as guarded and defensive.
I could see that. Not sure how to change it, but thank you for answering my question. I'm probably taking everything too seriously, I'll try to lighten up. Downside to be a perfectionist
Aight, verb threw me off. Anyway, you think I'm nonny's scum partner cuz you don't like policy lynches. Despite my casting shade at her tone. Like I'm gonna bus on page two then talk about another player's sketchy post to establish associatives? In case I'm D1 lynched when this is the first time someone's mentioned me by name outside of RVS?
I think your posts are independently scummy and I do not see a reason to start looking at associative interactions until I know someone's alignment.
I'm not guessing the scum team right now, I'm not so good at scumhunting that I'm going to be right on my reads 100% of the time and I know it, I'm trying to sort people into scummy and not scummy.
You fall under scummy.
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
You misread that. But good to know that I'm on your list? Nothing I can help you with bud. And I don't wanna do a D1 post-RVS back and forth tunnel again, so lemme know if you have some new info for me to answer.
In post 79, GuerillaWoo wrote:You misread that. But good to know that I'm on your list? Nothing I can help you with bud. And I don't wanna do a D1 post-RVS back and forth tunnel again, so lemme know if you have some new info for me to answer.
You could answer my questions towards you. I know it was probably hard to find, it was like 5 after the one from brass, I should do a better job to make them visable for you.
In post 27, GuerillaWoo wrote:Here's a lesson I learned: don't town read newbies on that basis alone. Everyone's new and everyone expresses different degrees of confidence. If someone's playing VI past the first week, odds are they're a good lynch.
Contribute, make sure people don't observe from the sidelines too much, and think hard about your reads. Take your time with it. We have two weeks and it'd be good to use almost all of it.
In post 43, GuerillaWoo wrote:Guys, this bit of advice I'm gonna give is super important: BE HONEST ABOUT MAKING MISTAKES. Don't rationalize around them. Don't justify them. Look at your behavior honestly and critically, especially in how it'll appear to both town and scum. It's more important that you let town players know this than it is to win an argument.
I have half a mind to vote nonny cuz of those two posts up there.
Why are you talking about game theory so much? And as a newbie. See this looks a lot like someone trying to make it seem like they are posting things, without ever actually saying anything.
You almost seem to throw some shade at the end of that last post towards nonny. What do you see in the 2 posts you mentioned that is a mistake that they aren't owning up to? Why do you think that you see something there in a more serious way than I do? You would think that if anyone had a problem with what they posted and was going to throw a vote that way it would be me, but I haven't even talked about that yet.
In post 27, GuerillaWoo wrote:Here's a lesson I learned: don't town read newbies on that basis alone. Everyone's new and everyone expresses different degrees of confidence. If someone's playing VI past the first week, odds are they're a good lynch.
Contribute, make sure people don't observe from the sidelines too much, and think hard about your reads. Take your time with it. We have two weeks and it'd be good to use almost all of it.
In post 43, GuerillaWoo wrote:Guys, this bit of advice I'm gonna give is super important: BE HONEST ABOUT MAKING MISTAKES. Don't rationalize around them. Don't justify them. Look at your behavior honestly and critically, especially in how it'll appear to both town and scum. It's more important that you let town players know this than it is to win an argument.
I have half a mind to vote nonny cuz of those two posts up there.
1) Why are you talking about game theory so much? 2) And as a newbie. 3) See this looks a lot like someone trying to make it seem like they are posting things, without ever actually saying anything.
4) You almost seem to throw some shade at the end of that last post towards nonny. What do you see in the 2 posts you mentioned that is a mistake that they aren't owning up to? 5) Why do you think that you see something there in a more serious way than I do? 6) You would think that if anyone had a problem with what they posted and was going to throw a vote that way it would be me, but I haven't even talked about that yet.
1) Those are part of my first five posts. There is nothing of substance one can offer in RVS.
2) My being a newbie means I shouldn't be able to understand game theory? I acknowledge that I'm inexperienced, but I don't think it's bad form to offer advice. You don't have to listen to me.
3) It was RVS.
4) She either willfully or unintentionally read scumminess into a blatant joke. I've seen it happen before from town, though.
5) Uh what. Is this an ego thing rn, cuz like I barely know you and I'm not interested.
6) Two people can behave independently. I wasn't defending you.
I gotta say your tone reads as purposefully aggravating as an attempt to pressure me to see what shakes. That can go lamist or earnestly town. But it is not helpful to town at all. My concern is you're gonna start jumping between read to read with this overeager pressure and dominate the thread.
In post 49, 2 718281828459 wrote:
Friction is fine, and just because there is friction doesn't make one of us scum.
I know that friction =/> scum, and I wrote that albeit indirectly.
You voted nonny as an rvs vote, but now it seems like you are making it a legit one, why? And if you really think it might be a mislynch, why keep it there? Yes we get a few built into the game, but do you really want to potentially use one on day 1 from something you think you gleaned from like a 4 post back and forth?
I wrote a second post (57) that softens 49 quite a bit. 49 was just a failure to communicate combined with a slip of protocol.
And the whole "defend yourself or claim a PR" is just disgusting and reeks of role fishing, especially when its said this early on, and without much steam behind the wagon.
My bad, just forgot about the protocol there. Again, see post 57.
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Not much happening, so maybe it’s time for another dumbe question. Some of you have mentioned post numbers, but these numbers don’t match up with the numbers on my board - maybe because I’m viewing posts in descending order. Any ideas on how I can find a post if all I have is the number?
In post 83, TrinityNZ wrote:Not much happening, so maybe it’s time for another dumbe question. Some of you have mentioned post numbers, but these numbers don’t match up with the numbers on my board - maybe because I’m viewing posts in descending order. Any ideas on how I can find a post if all I have is the number?
Change to ascending? (Go to user control panel> board preference>display options)
Woo and 2.8 I'll get to your posts later. I'm sleepy now.
In post 51, nonny wrote:Maybe you didn't read his post, but I did. Claiming my role would be a last resort.
I just find it kind of ironic that in my next post I clarify that I'm female and yet you got it wrong. It doesn't bug me, but it speaks to you actually reading my posts or not...
While nUmBeRs post was pretty funny, I'm not sure if it's scum. I mean... just think... what scum really goes "Hey, so, like, claim now, please?".
Bins have you played with 2.8 yet? I just got done with a game he was in and he is a newb through and through, but he didnt have this set of balls in that game at all.
I can see him hitting puberty from his first game to his second game. I don't really like how you're voting him even after his explanation leads me to believe this is more just a communication/awkwardness thing. I'm STILL not sure if it's scum, but I'm more just getting the vibe that he's a newb.
I'll read his first game, though.
In post 83, TrinityNZ wrote:Not much happening, so maybe it’s time for another dumbe question. Some of you have mentioned post numbers, but these numbers don’t match up with the numbers on my board - maybe because I’m viewing posts in descending order. Any ideas on how I can find a post if all I have is the number?
A lot is happening and here to comment on. For example, what do you think about E (numbers)? Do you have any feels towards the people pushing him for his post?
I'm not sure what's wrong with you post numbers though. Where does it take you when you click this: 1?
In post 51, nonny wrote:Maybe you didn't read his post, but I did. Claiming my role would be a last resort.
I just find it kind of ironic that in my next post I clarify that I'm female and yet you got it wrong. It doesn't bug me, but it speaks to you actually reading my posts or not...
While nUmBeRs post was pretty funny, I'm not sure if it's scum. I mean... just think... what scum really goes "Hey, so, like, claim now, please?".
Bins have you played with 2.8 yet? I just got done with a game he was in and he is a newb through and through, but he didnt have this set of balls in that game at all.
I can see him hitting puberty from his first game to his second game. I don't really like how you're voting him even after his explanation leads me to believe this is more just a communication/awkwardness thing. I'm STILL not sure if it's scum, but I'm more just getting the vibe that he's a newb.
I'll read his first game, though.
In post 83, TrinityNZ wrote:Not much happening, so maybe it’s time for another dumbe question. Some of you have mentioned post numbers, but these numbers don’t match up with the numbers on my board - maybe because I’m viewing posts in descending order. Any ideas on how I can find a post if all I have is the number?
A lot is happening and here to comment on. For example, what do you think about E (numbers)? Do you have any feels towards the people pushing him for his post?
I'm not sure what's wrong with you post numbers though. Where does it take you when you click this: 1?
That takes me right back to post number 1. I could change to Ascending, rather than Descending, but I do like the latest posts being on the first page, rather than the last.
I’m inclined to agree with you about E and think that some of the others are being a bit harsher than I expected in a newbie game, but maybe that’s a tactic. And at least he’s making an effort. Some people haven’t had much to say at all, which makes me wonder why...
In post 51, nonny wrote:Maybe you didn't read his post, but I did. Claiming my role would be a last resort.
I just find it kind of ironic that in my next post I clarify that I'm female and yet you got it wrong. It doesn't bug me, but it speaks to you actually reading my posts or not...
You're right, my bad Bins. I'm notoriously bad at gender, usually try to avoid it. Going back through from the reply page doesn't show avatars or gender
GuerillaWoo wrote:Nonny I'm tone reading you as guarded and defensive.
I could see that. Not sure how to change it, but thank you for answering my question. I'm probably taking everything too seriously, I'll try to lighten up. Downside to be a perfectionist
In post 90, 2 718281828459 wrote:I want to wait and see how the replacement acts before doing anything else here, unless something major happens among the other 8 of us.
I mean... I still have a little bit of lean on nonny = Scum, although not as strongly as before.
I also lean slightly towards Formerfish = Scum and Guerilla = Town, but those are intuition, not based on anything concrete.
(Fish because 72 repeats attacks on my post 49 even though I wrote 57 before Fish wrote 72... but this could just be not even seeing 57.)
I still want to hear from Kitty64's replacement.
No one else stands out.
UNVOTE: , because doing a random vote at this point seems like Incorrect Protocol.
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I am saying Bins is town, GuerillaWoo is a scum lean.
It's really simple sorting of slots.
Why do you think Bins is town?
She's been open about her thought process, has been posing the question, then giving a response to whether somewhat scummy actions are scum motivated rather than let people like me (paranoid jerks) just run with what may be a mislynch.
If she's not town, she's doing a heck of a job hiding it right now.
By way of a side note, even if I thought she was scummy, I would not be advocating for her lynch since I am past pushing for a day 1 lynch of ICs. I'd need to look into the numbers of it, but I don't know that the IC slot of a newbie game has ever been lynched day 1. This is mostly trivia to talk about since it is irrelevant here.
Trinity is also townlean, good questions.
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
I am saying Bins is town, GuerillaWoo is a scum lean.
It's really simple sorting of slots.
Why do you think Bins is town?
She's been open about her thought process, has been posing the question, then giving a response to whether somewhat scummy actions are scum motivated rather than let people like me (paranoid jerks) just run with what may be a mislynch.
If she's not town, she's doing a heck of a job hiding it right now.
By way of a side note, even if I thought she was scummy, I would not be advocating for her lynch since I am past pushing for a day 1 lynch of ICs. I'd need to look into the numbers of it, but I don't know that the IC slot of a newbie game has ever been lynched day 1. This is mostly trivia to talk about since it is irrelevant here.
Trinity is also townlean, good questions.
MathDino got lynched D1 of the last game I was in. FormerFish and E2.7 were in that game.
I also recall the first IC I played with saying that most ICs get lynched D1.
To me lynching ICs can be a valid tactic. An IC as scum is way more dangerous then town. It's easier for a scum!IC to come off as town since the new players are semi looking at the IC as a mentor.
That being said I don't see anything so far that would make the current IC seem scummy.
I am saying Bins is town, GuerillaWoo is a scum lean.
It's really simple sorting of slots.
Why do you think Bins is town?
She's been open about her thought process, has been posing the question, then giving a response to whether somewhat scummy actions are scum motivated rather than let people like me (paranoid jerks) just run with what may be a mislynch.
If she's not town, she's doing a heck of a job hiding it right now.
By way of a side note, even if I thought she was scummy, I would not be advocating for her lynch since I am past pushing for a day 1 lynch of ICs. I'd need to look into the numbers of it, but I don't know that the IC slot of a newbie game has ever been lynched day 1. This is mostly trivia to talk about since it is irrelevant here.
Trinity is also townlean, good questions.
MathDino got lynched D1 of the last game I was in. FormerFish and E2.7 were in that game.
I also recall the first IC I played with saying that most ICs get lynched D1.
To me lynching ICs can be a valid tactic. An IC as scum is way more dangerous then town. It's easier for a scum!IC to come off as town since the new players are semi looking at the IC as a mentor.
That being said I don't see anything so far that would make the current IC seem scummy.
I wish that there was a designated person who had an IC-like role but was not playing, therefore you could ask questions that might reveal your role ("So I found 2 townies as Cop, should I reveal now or later?" or "Should I, as scum, pretend to be a Tracker to try and win this LyLo?") without compromising the game.
Guerilla: I have little to go on, but so far I just have liked a more calm and inquisitive tone. Again, this is not strong enough to say "let's lynch anyone who votes for Guerilla" but I was asked for reads and I gave my best guesses.
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