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[ByronVilla]

Oh yeah I should clarify I think there were either one or two scum on the wagon, most likely two.

You're the one exception bar the two scum theory, hence why I put the possibility of one in there.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 2.02

ByronVilla

(1): BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): ByronVilla

teacher

(1): wavemode

Not Voting

(9): Nosferatu, Garmr, Performer, Aristophanes, Tommy Egan, Lefty, Tchill13, Gosrir Elmer Odels, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-07-05 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

• Performer V/LA on weekends
• teacher V/LA on weekends

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So you're working from the theory that you think is less likely? That makes sense...

Can we lynch BV now?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

First things first, the most important new thing I've got right now, is that my townread on wavemode has been solidified. His comments from around the Invis wagon were definitely coming from a genuine PoV.

2nd: point is that everything said about teacher before the lynch is still valid. There's no change there, so
VOTE: teacher.
This is nothing new, though.

Thirdly, BV's 912 & 917 do contradict each other, quite blatantly, but I fail to see why that's indicative of him being scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because he is trying to justify a scum read (his primary scum read) with bad reasoning.

He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Man, I really wanna join that shiny teacher wagon.

[ByronVilla]

He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.

You've been doing exactly the same with me.

[Garmr]

I honestly wouldn't mind a Nos lynch tbh. He feels like a scum slot that's coasting by. He hasn't made any real hard pushes.
His scum reads

{invis, GEO, performer}

are pretty much regurgitated from general Concensus which he added nothing new.

{Tchill, Lefty, Byron, Gus}
{BBT, Performer}
{Invis}
{GEO, teacher}
{wave, garmr, tommy}

Also chuck a few towns reads like byron and gus

So his previous scumreads are in the middle of the list So i'm just going to assume that means wave,tommy and I are null judging from his wording. So nothing really changed. Everything else feels fake a bland here. Nothing in his previous post indicate a thought process that leads up to this. Also would like to mention he positioned himself where he could vote Invis yesterday if needed but didn't touch it. He also barely interacted with the invis wagon and put himself in a position to lynch it if need be.

VOTE: nos

P:edit
damn that's a lot of post in the time I took to write this.

[wavemode]

nail in the coffin that pushes him further down for me is him being one of three people who avoided the invis wagon and me leaning town on the other two

Good posting, but...

There were 4 people who avoided the Invis wagon - Nos, teacher, Lefty and Byron. Can you just clarify who you're talking about in relation to your reads?

as others have mentioned, BV didn't avoid being on the wagon, he hopped off it once it was at L-1

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have? Show me where I have contradicted myself in order to push your lynch.

Show me where I have stated flat out false information to push your lynch.

I'll wait.

Also, just to clarify. I'm not saying that contradictions = scum. I'm saying that the way in which BV is trying to force his scum read on me with the reasoning he is using is not indicative of a townie thought process.

PEdit - Above is to BV.

[Garmr]

Nos be the scum that flys under the radar.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.

You've been doing exactly the same with me.

Wait, what?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

as others have mentioned, BV didn't avoid being on the wagon, he hopped off it once it was at L-1

With super bad reasoning. That made no sense.

[ByronVilla]

I'm not saying you've contradicted yourself, I'm saying you're looking for every opportunity to scumread me. More akin to tunneling than bad reasoning (even though the majority of your arguments are 'this guy is bad he contradicted himself therefore he must be scum')

[wavemode]

as others have mentioned, BV didn't avoid being on the wagon, he hopped off it once it was at L-1

With super bad reasoning. That made no sense.

you're getting the perspective mixed up. i'm speaking from the perspective that there is a pool of three players who, potentially, are scum who thought, "my buddy is on this wagon, i'd rather not vote with him". BV is not one of those people

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.

You've been doing exactly the same with me.

Are you admitting that

you

have been doing that to BBT?

[wavemode]

as others have mentioned, BV didn't avoid being on the wagon, he hopped off it once it was at L-1

With super bad reasoning. That made no sense.

you're getting the perspective mixed up. i'm speaking from the perspective that there is a pool of three players who, potentially, are scum who thought, "my buddy is on this wagon, i'd rather not vote with him". BV is not one of those people

to clarify, i townread BV for other reasons, but those have nothing to do with my "nail in the coffin" comment which you asked about

[ByronVilla]

He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.

You've been doing exactly the same with me.

Are you admitting that

you

have been doing that to BBT?

Not necessarily. I think my push at the start of D1 was bad, and so I can't entirely disagree with his statement, however right now I'm not doing that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Except you are?

You're working from your least likely theory and stating false information about me to try and push a wagon on me.

You're doing exactly that.

[Garmr]

Oh god the stuff byron and gustavo post gives me a headache. The most you get out shit like that is other peoples reactions, but to actually try and get a read out it is torture.

[wavemode]

i will have to ask some friends after the game is over but i feel like to an experienced eye byron's play this game should be very obviously town. it even lines up with his town meta, if you care about that sort of thing

[Performer]

VOTE: Aristo

Going to be honest I think aristo is town I don't think gus would of rage quit if he was scum.

Gustavo seemed to have replaced out due to family demands, so...NAI in that sense. I wouldn't say he's the lynch today though, based on what I've seen d1.

I have a few things to follow-up with from what I put on my notes .

Welcome, aristophanes.

[Performer]

Teacher, how do you have only 1 tr after 35 pgs?? And why do you say the invis wagon was toxic? Only toxic person here was potentially gustavo.

Bbt saying I would just tr him on d1 if I was scum, wow....flattering and creepy that he knows that I would do that if I was scum.

Wave - my read on wave was null for all d1, as he’s been hard to read for me. So I further questioned him, and he never answered me, with his next post was regarding hammering invis. What happened there? Suspicious. Seems like purposeful avoiding of answering my inquiring. Moved from null to sr.

@teacher is the bottom part of your post 730 to me? And what about your gustavo talk and other sr?
Starting to wonder about a possible team of teacher, gosrir, and one other. When I reread some posts in d1, it did seem possible. Gosrir kept pushing for teacher’s demise while saying he liked my newer posts. The way he brought teacher & I up, makes me think he was bringing up a probable buddy & someone he knew was town – me.
Invis put gosrir as an sr for him. The below also makes me think he could be operating as mafia rather than as town. Gosrir’s reply about my 504, in his 701 – how did he jump all the way from there, saying he liked invis - to hammer intent – in the span of less than 24 hours?? What's the story behind this? Later, he puts invis at L-1 right before invis’s demise – that series of events doesn’t make me think it’s coming from town.

I think byron's 824 could mean him and bbt are not aligned. Bbt are you town?... On a similar vein, if he and I were partners, we would be insanely good LOL.

[Performer]

Nos why did you sr garmr? Garm , I think nos is town - my read on him hasn't changed since I last posted about him.

The posts on pg 38 are alarming. Hmm.

[Performer]

Can someone else tell me why teacher is a good lynch? Lefty or chill for instance?

I don't like byron's sudden tr on invis on d1, ending with his unvote. though I see both him and bbt have been scumhunting, trying to sort folks. Wave, why do you tr byron for "other reasons?"