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[Shoshin]

I highly doubt Taly is scum, TBG.

[the worst]

@shoshin

Spoiler: top secret message for shoshin's eyes only

@FireA you've been pinging me all game so I stand by jumping on that wagon. really didn't parse that you had a guilty and I'm surprised you didn't out it right away.

VOTE: Espe

[PenguinPower]

Um...votes on D1 meant shit (as I am still here!). 1 vote isn't a wagon regardless of those who "intend" to vote (since intending to vote means shit, except when bolded and they are at L-1 <- gotta be true to my newbies)

Try again.

Shoshin is probs town.

From your rankings list, you think me and Taly are scum together. I'd like to hear more about that, especially the D1 motivation.

[the worst]

I highly doubt Taly is scum, TBG.

+1

[PenguinPower]

I luv you duck.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry, I read the top secret message.

[the worst]

bruh >:

luv you too though so all forgiven

[PenguinPower]

Um...votes on D1 meant shit (as I am still here!). 1 vote isn't a wagon regardless of those who "intend" to vote (since intending to vote means shit, except when bolded and they are at L-1 <- gotta be true to my newbies)

Try again.

Shoshin is probs town.

From your rankings list, you think me and Taly are scum together. I'd like to hear more about that, especially the D1 motivation.

Realizing this is on a new page, most of my comments above were directed @TBG.

[Taly]

Mmm. I was debating on 970 potentially coming from town, I was wondering if

PP

was faking a lot in D1 since it 970 seemed like he had an idea of the general gamestate and wasn't going to give much information. I also don't know why he'd dignify the stance of people scumreading him here.

...But then again... the slight voice in my head telling me that

PP

could be town from that post sounded BETTER while it was in my head, versus me typing this out right now. ._.

I'm not sure of

PP

either way atm, and I do scumlean them. But I wasn't sure about

Fire

, hence my vote change.

I think

Fire's

more likely truthful with his claim here.

VOTE: Espeonage

Also, didn't

TBG

say that he put me a low number solely because he didn't think I'd need numbers? I see this coming from town more often?

TBG

, what's your read on me?

[Taly]

Tbh, I've been admittedly votehopping the past 2 pages because literally most everything else I've done at this point in the game has not acquired the most desirable results geared towards solving it.

[PenguinPower]

I have to say, the bolding of player names is helpful. Thx.

[the worst]

Taly gets a lot of needless flak for it. I like reading thru his posts and addressing anything directed at me before processing his other points :>

[the worst]

Taly

**

[PenguinPower]

Also, didn't TBG say that he put me a low number solely because he didn't think I'd need numbers? I see this coming from town more often?

Why do you see this as coming from town? I'm not sure I understand the mindset behind that.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I highly doubt Taly is scum, TBG.

Why are you telling me this? I don't scumread Taly. I weakly townread Taly.

Um...votes on D1 meant shit (as I am still here!). 1 vote isn't a wagon regardless of those who "intend" to vote (since intending to vote means shit, except when bolded and they are at L-1 <- gotta be true to my newbies)

Try again.

Shoshin is probs town.

From your rankings list, you think me and Taly are scum together. I'd like to hear more about that, especially the D1 motivation.

No. Go read the not shitty sheets version, which should spell it out more clearly. The plaintext garbage is just to keep a permanent log so I can't cheat by editing the sheet.

I gave Taly a low score because I wanted to maximize the chances that you/espe/nico died, which meant I had to give my other bad scores to people at low risk of dying. Taly was pretty universally townread, so I figured he would be a safe place to park it.

[PenguinPower]

Go read the not shitty sheets version, which should spell it out more clearly.

The what?

I only see one rankings list.

[the worst]

Also, didn't TBG say that he put me a low number solely because he didn't think I'd need numbers? I see this coming from town more often?

Why do you see this as coming from town? I'm not sure I understand the mindset behind that.

same reason people shift brackets in the actual supp I guess, it weights those he thinks need the points. reserving his high numbers to townreads who he doesn't feel are agreed on shows a high level of conviction in his reads. IDK it's hard to put into words but I like it too.

the little voice in my head is asking what would scum intent would be here. tank obvtown and reserve to his scumbuddies?... just doesn't seem like a scummy thing to do.

[the worst]

Hold on I mightttttt be a wizard

[TehBrawlGuy]

Go read the not shitty sheets version, which should spell it out more clearly.

The what?

I only see one rankings list.

oh nvm ep nuked it for being an outside link
I'll go generate a less shitty plaintext version.

[the worst]

Sheet version edited out btw tbg

[PenguinPower]

Fair. I just don't get not ranking your actual rankings and letting it fall where it may. There's more info in true rankings than trying to manipulate.

That said, I'm aware that scum can lie about their rankings.

p-edit

You are a duck_wizard.

[PenguinPower]

oh nvm ep nuked it for being an outside link
I'll go generate a less shitty plaintext version.

Thanks to EP then...

[TehBrawlGuy]

am I allowed to embed images or is there an easy conversion to table and cell tags or anything less cancer than me formatting this by hand

[PenguinPower]

Ask the mod. I'm just a player here.

[Taly]

Also, didn't TBG say that he put me a low number solely because he didn't think I'd need numbers? I see this coming from town more often?

Why do you see this as coming from town? I'm not sure I understand the mindset behind that.

I highly doubt Taly is scum, TBG.

Why are you telling me this? I don't scumread Taly. I weakly townread Taly.

Um...votes on D1 meant shit (as I am still here!). 1 vote isn't a wagon regardless of those who "intend" to vote (since intending to vote means shit, except when bolded and they are at L-1 <- gotta be true to my newbies)

Try again.

Shoshin is probs town.

From your rankings list, you think me and Taly are scum together. I'd like to hear more about that, especially the D1 motivation.

No. Go read the not shitty sheets version, which should spell it out more clearly. The plaintext garbage is just to keep a permanent log so I can't cheat by editing the sheet.

I gave Taly a low score because I wanted to maximize the chances that you/espe/nico died, which meant I had to give my other bad scores to people at low risk of dying. Taly was pretty universally townread, so I figured he would be a safe place to park it.

Yes, I can see

TBG

from a scum-perspective here by wanting to solidify a kill a towny.

HOWEVER.

((omg, im actually making a post saying

TBG

could be towny here))

TBG

knew that I was probably very safe given the playerlist's view of me in D1, and even now.

There wasn't a lot of clarity for townies EoD1 for reads. We basically ended the day early FOR clarity via flips. My low scores on

Dunn/Vax/Espe/Fire

were both by PoE, and the uncertainty generated around their claim and individual play.

I didn't rank solely based on reads because I needed to think about what helped MY perception of the game.

TBG

did exactly this, too.

He was aware of people who were likely safe, and low scored them in order to gain his OWN clarity. In doing this, he kept people who he believed were more likely town to be safe, while shooting for his more confident reads that could be scum.

So yeah, my reasoning here could be a bit convoluted. But

TBG's

honesty with his thoughts in the game right now make me think he's coming from a towny mindset that's oriented in gamesolving.

I'm not sold on

TBG

being town, but that's just my thinking here.