SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Espeonage]

I have a ten and a zero specifically set aside for Australians.

I'm gonna need you two to play goon of fortune for the 10.

[Espeonage]

Why worst over having an opinion on the roles that have been claimed.

[Espeonage]

Ok sure, but claiming an having info int he public domain counts for nothing?

Like it's a choice to claim.

[Espeonage]

This early, with the aim to increase public knowledge, yeah. It's town points.

[Espeonage]

I still don't know why you picked the worst though.

[Espeonage]

no idea

It seems like you put the names in a hat and pulled one out.

[Espeonage]

I give it a big fat 1.

[Espeonage]

T_T

How do you know the truth?

[Espeonage]

Hi I'm pretty and the worst shits on everything.

[Espeonage]

Yo DV why you townreading my scum read?

[Espeonage]

he scum bc he being arbitrary.

Either that or I am completely blind to what he is seeing.

[Espeonage]

I haven't read the last couple of pages but Maria is getting a ten.

[Espeonage]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

[Espeonage]

Bruh, it says in our role PMs that we have opposite roles lol.

[Espeonage]

Haha

[Espeonage]

It's lower than another player. Gimme a sec.

[Espeonage]

I need vax higher than fa

[Espeonage]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

[Espeonage]

Imma be on for proper chat chats later.

[Espeonage]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing because I’m lost.

Ah I misread what you said. My understanding was you were saying that dv could only think we were town if he was scum and knew we were town which implies you are scumreading both me and dunn until dv made his post.

[Espeonage]

My issue with this is that if scum have some sort of mechanic to abuse the results it might make it abusable.

I'd rather we pick someone to universally give zeros and people who step outside of that have scumclaimed.

[Espeonage]

I'm behind but I have work today which is good stuffs.

[Espeonage]

Ok I ain't gonna read these walls but I am gonna skim.

[Espeonage]

By Taly:
"Describe "abusable", like an example.

Ehhh... I have reservations of literally pointing out someone and all of us collectively give them 0s. If they're town, that's basically a free sacrifice for scum.

If they're scum, we don't have adequate information in deducing their partners? Or at least, figuring out IF we hit scum prior to a deadline."

Idk, like an ability that turns a vote in to a 20. Or swap two people in everyone's lists. Shit like that.

[Espeonage]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

Missed this post

Is

Fire

your only scumread at the moment? If so, can you refresh my memory as to why?

Felt like the read on worst was pure fabrication, and the fact that Fire kept with it feels even worse.

[Espeonage]

I don't liek Reuban's list. Feels like a way to avoid accountability this early.

[Espeonage]

Ok I did some skims, and this is so much harder without wagons.

It just kinda feels like there's no venom behind pushes without meaningful votes to back it up.

I don't get the PP scumreads. I don't really get most of the reads. DV's case feels like the only decent thing in the thread, but my support of that will get taken with a grain of salt because the slot just 'voted' for me.

I know I got pushed for talking about my role, but to be fair I was absent for 2/3rds of the game to this point and it was a crux thing. And on that note, how likely do people think it is that everyone in that group of four is town?

Anyways, moving on to stuff. I like DV atm, Taly feels like how I think I look when super in to a game town, so I'll say he's town too. Pine not feeling pressure to produce content right now also can be weak town. Dunn feels town as well, could have easily just claimed I'd fucked up but instead backed me up. That'll do for now.

[Espeonage]

You are not my top scumread. ?_?

[Espeonage]

Probably fire.

But we are working in the realms of like minute scum leans right now. Basically Taly needs to shutup and let stuff happen for a bit for anything meaningful to happen.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: pp

I buy the claim, I just think he's lying about the alignment of it. That's a straight-on perfect Scum role.

That's p much what I thought when I saw it. But at face value I think the claim is NAI and I probs won't really rate down because of it because the utility for scum is avoiding abilities and people are already unlikely to target by virtue of the claim. So mechanically by claiming it already gains it's value for night 1 regardless of if it pops off.

[Espeonage]

Hey Espeonage, you "scumread" me. Why have you only been making comments to other people about scumreading me but not engaging with me? Or even addressing my scumcase on you.

I specifically used the word scum lean. Everything is slight in magnitude right now.

But sure, gimme the cliffnotes and I'll see if I care.

[Espeonage]

Slight scum read huh. Thats interesting. Don't want to commit now?

I literally said this a few pages ago. -.-

[Espeonage]

Slight scum read huh. Thats interesting. Don't want to commit now?

I literally said this a few pages ago. -.-

I missed that, what changed specifically?

uhhh time. Like that read was from early early game. And sure it's still there but hanging on to something with vehemence is pretty straight up wrong.

Like you are getting a zero from me regardless of anything given my role. (Ok an innocent child or something would change that but w/e)

But I'm not going to yell everyone should scumread you. I have more townreads than scum reads at this point which is kinda enough on day 1 with this mechanic no?

[Espeonage]

ok ya Brawl is p cool.

[Espeonage]

uhhh time. Like that read was from early early game. And sure it's still there but hanging on to something with vehemence is pretty straight up wrong.

Like you are getting a zero from me regardless of anything given my role. (Ok an innocent child or something would change that but w/e)

But I'm not going to yell everyone should scumread you. I have more townreads than scum reads at this point which is kinda enough on day 1 with this mechanic no?

Why is that straight up wrong?

Are you giving me a zero because of your role?

Is the last part supposed to mean you don't care about sorting me?

Because it's not a strong read, and not backed up by the whole thread of stuffs.
Yes
No, it means that I'm not convinced enough to be evangelical about it. Funnily enough it's coincidentally true that you are correct that I don't really care about sorting you day 1. If you are still here day 2 then I will get in it properly.

[Espeonage]

That actually gives us a situation where dissonance is actually good for us.

Because if everyone has a solid mix other than some universal reads given 0s. We end up with it very likely those two die. I am however still worried about a vote swapper or set one players average to five.

:/ need to think.

[Espeonage]

I don't want day to end because I'm kinda still forming solid reads.

[Espeonage]

I have 3 townreads I like a lot : ]
a few I like less

someone tell me how to feel about DV/TBG or talk to me about it

I am getting Brawl's intentions are genuinely town and wanting to gamesolve. Recent pages have really gotten that to a much better read from when I was liking DV's case.

On that note, I liked DVs case on TBG at the time and felt he truly believed it which means town.

[Espeonage]

How

[Espeonage]

Get ready for regularly scheduled Thursday posting a few hours.

[Espeonage]

meh... I'm waiting for

Espe

to post so I can vote to end this day...

Gonna be waiting at least 4 hours for when my boss leaves and I can actually read properly.

[Espeonage]

Sorry. I pretty much do almost all my posting at work.

[Espeonage]

Ok I'm really sorry I didn't read. I got my life in order instead. Which is probably more important.

[Espeonage]

I did. You were there. I organised my quidditch stuff and took an extra break to buy boots.

[Espeonage]

end day

I'm not gonna stagnate the thread with apathy while I catch up. I'll do it during the night.

[Espeonage]

We posting results?

[Espeonage]

*rankings

[Espeonage]

I can tell you people like you more than Vax.

[Espeonage]

Mechanically it makes you more likely to be scum than Vax. And I am pretty much certain Dunn is town at this point.

[Espeonage]

10 - Myself
10 - Vaxkiller
10 - Dunnstral
9 - TehBrawlGuy
8 - Taly
7 - the worst
6 - Deas Veil
6 - Penguinpower
5 - MariaR
5 - Chara
4 - punreader
4 - Nahdia
3 - Shoshin
2 - Srceenplay
1 - Lovebird
0 - Nico Robin
0 - Pine
0 - Fire Assassin

[Espeonage]

I basically filled in the 0s.

Then I filled in down to penguin. And ratings of 1 through 5 are effectively arbitrary.

[Espeonage]

Mechanically it makes you more likely to be scum than Vax. And I am pretty much certain Dunn is town at this point.

Thats not how any of this works.

Ok so are you arguing there isn't scum in the four of us, because that is what this sounds like?

[Espeonage]

I'll be honest. I put the worst high because I reckon I'll be able to read him later and I genuinely like him. Because I forsee that question coming too.

[Espeonage]

given your history of reading me what's making you think you'll succeed here? o.0

9:12

[Espeonage]

Because I'm a nerd about data, here's a good way to look at mine. You can sort by player#, ranking#, and order I assigned the rankings.

eeeeeee

I realize now that I fucked up and ranked espe/dunn against each other for their roles instead of vax/fire, so whoops.

Dunn won the bet anyway.

[Espeonage]

given your history of reading me what's making you think you'll succeed here? o.0

9:12

LMFAO okay you got one

I'm on a high man.

[Espeonage]

ok I'm here, what's going on.

[Espeonage]

Fire

guiltied you, and we want a claim before you're hung

wtf?

Soft guilty or hard guilty. Because one of those is impossible and the isa improbbable.

[Espeonage]

Also hint: the impossible one is the only one you should be flash lynching.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Fire

I find it super hard to believe that..
1. Shenanigans
and
2. I required a investigative to be in danger of artificially dying in voting phase.

[Espeonage]

Ok because I am town.

But if shenanigans happened with an investigative he could theoretically not be fake claiming.

He was scum from the start anyway though.

[Espeonage]

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

[Espeonage]

Contextually faking a guilty actually makes sense.

He claims bullshit shenanigans day 3, or completely backs down from the claim. And then goes well oops it must be vax.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Fire

I find it super hard to believe that..
1. Shenanigans
and
2. I required a investigative to be in danger of artificially dying in voting phase.

1)

Shenanigans, what are you talking about?

2)

Umm... what's odd about

Fire

investigating his scumread?

Taly, it was take a bit of an idiot to not know it was going to be one of the group of 4 today.

And with Dunn being conf town that takes the pool down.

And with Vax being a non event that makes it Fire or me.

So you're saying

Fire

is lying and deliberately trying to get you lynched because

"haha, yay!"

?

We aren't changing our rankings, so if things are set in stone, I don't know why there would be any pushback to someone's ranking claim that would negate theirs.

Taly.

In what world does a role like me and Dunn fuck with a hard investigative role? Come on man, look at context of all the claims.

Also why were people waiting for me to claim. I full claimed day 1.

Yes I am saying Fire is lying to get me lynched.

[Espeonage]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.

This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.

[Espeonage]

Honestly I also doubt that Fire would have been the lynch without the cop guilty but that’s speculation I guess

He mechanically makes sense as scum. So yes he would have been. It was always him or me today. Which is why this makes perfect sense as a fake.

[Espeonage]

Wait there are two claimed hard investigatives?

lol.

[Espeonage]

Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.

Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.

This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.

What does Dunn’s alignment have to do with this though?

If Fire is claiming a cop guilty on you, with no condition attached, then the implication is that he will be lynched if you are town. Fire should know this.

I am not completely closed to the possibility that you are both town but that would require weird mechanic stuff that is externally confirmed and really I doubt it.

PEdit: I don’t really want to speculate more about Maria’s claim at this stage. I want to lynch Espe

Because it precludes my line that it was me or fire today anyway and it was looking more like him.

Which is why he can make what would otherwise be a very stupid early guilty.

Nah, he's scum. He has to be. Why would someone fake an innocent?

[Espeonage]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

So if your role/claim is solely ranking based, what's the scum-motivation behind

Fire

wanting to lynch you post-ranking?

Because if he's lying scum, he's asking to die D3. Because if his role mirrors yours based off presented info., he's essentially vanilla scum.

If he's town faking or lying, then he's debatably gamethrowing and I'd be very, very frustrated because I've seen town do this stupid stuff like this before, and this would probably end in his mislynch.

If he's town being truthful, then scum is lynched.

I have now explained this twice to DV.

But because there are now apparently two confirmed town in the grouping of 4 mechanically. Which means one of me and fire basically has to be scum, and he was going down anyway. So he delays his inevitable lynch.

And there are so many reasons why scum would want an extra night in a role madness game if they are dying anyway.

[Espeonage]

I missed something

How is

Dunn

conftown?

Dunn claimed half of our roles and missed something. I corrected him on with extra game knowledge. People thought I scum slipped. But then Dunn backed me up upon rereading his role PM when he could easily have just left me to the mercy of the ranking round. And he would have copped zero flack for it because he would have just been able to say I fucked up and he didn't have that kind of info in his role.

Literally no one would have been any wiser.

[Espeonage]

Ok but look at the trajectory of the game. There was no real voice saying that we were all town until you just now. And me v Fire has been going since day 1.

[Espeonage]

Ok because I am town.

But if shenanigans happened with an investigative he could theoretically not be fake claiming.

He was scum from the start anyway though.

Not doubting the claim but is looking for any possible out here

There is a reason for this.

Because, I want a full claim from you.

There is a way for you to have a false guilty on me. And I want to hear it from you that you are lying by omission or just lying.

[Espeonage]

I FULL CLAIMED DAY 1

Why is everyone still asking for this shit.

[Espeonage]

Hint, change the word cop for rolecop, and mafia for no result, and that role makes much more sense.

[Espeonage]

Actually no fuck that.

Why the hell would EP make their own role that?

Fire, that is bullshit.

[Espeonage]

Also what the fuck kind of role is that when there is someone who needs you to rank lowly for their role too.

[Espeonage]

Is this the hill you want to die on?

[Espeonage]

The balancing tool is that either me or dunn becomes vanilla. It doesn't need another one.

Also, EP flavour, in your best paraphrasing, and go.

[Espeonage]

Hi, this is a thing.

For my role, I need Fire Assassin to be rated highly today

And I am the antithesis, I need him to do poorly.

But that's cool bc he scum.

I need vax higher than fa

we have not claimed what it gives us, I thought we had.

[Espeonage]

Whoever won the bet got to choose to vig, protect, or vanillaise the other.

[Espeonage]

Ok sorry I thought I had. The core mechanic however was known early.

[Espeonage]

Nothing else.

[Espeonage]

Ranking Phase has ended.

NicoRobin's votes are public and listed below:

Spoiler:

NicoRobin
Espeonage
Pine
PenguinPower
Chara
Dunnstral
Nahdia
the worst
Srceenplay
Vaxkiller
MariaR
DeasVail
Taly
TehBrawlGuy
Lovebird
Punreader
Shoshin
Fire Assassin

Vi

Welcome, NicoRobin.

People care about what you think. To be specific, they're all clamoring to know what you think of them.
You are

Vi

, the

Ranking Townie

.

Alignment: Town

-- You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

Passive: Public Rankings

(

Get 'em while they're still fresh!

) -- Your D1 rankings of other people will be made public in-thread and are assigned double weight.

17. NicoRobin

(TOWN)

Average:

2.06

Number of 10s:

1

Number of 0s:

8

With that, Night 1 begins immediately and ends in (expired on 2018-06-20 21:38:00).

I got 20 from nico

[Espeonage]

I don't believe that Espeonage is town here.
Like I am ready to ignore the data in front of me here rn.

Mate I am gonna laugh so hard if you fucked up a fake guilty because you didn't read the thread properly. Because honestly that would be the icing on the cake for your shithouse tirade.

[Espeonage]

VOTE: Dunnstral

No fuck off. He's town. He could have killed me.

[Espeonage]

Scratch that.

Dunn had TWO chances to kill me and took neither of them. Dunn is confirmed town.

[Espeonage]

hold on why do you still not think Espe is town?
but you're not voting him?
why are you voting Dunn?

Because the entire thing was fake and he didn't read end of night. Like a fucking chump.

[Espeonage]

@1201:
1. Maria
2. He would have backed himself in to a corner where he is trying to get me lynched without ever voting me. Fucking stupid play, so gtfo.
4. It's called a mistake, people make them. I commend your effort.

[Espeonage]

From 1224: "Espe, we learned that Fire overlooked the Nico ranking, do you believe his claim is scum-motivated, or a town mistake?"

I think it was a fake claim, and he threw something in with voting to make it sound believable and fucked it up completely.

[Espeonage]

Dunn, given your vote, I'm assuming you believe Maria over Fire, why?

For the reasons I gave earlier as to why Fire's claim was scummy

I unvoted him after he changes his claim

The NK didn't happen last night.

I protected Espeonage from night kills

???

I thought he claimed you vanillized him?

This is my bad.

Basically my only ability is from the bet. Having lost the bet I have no power. I would presume there might be something with role cop or something maybe. Or the vanillaise option is just a red herring.

So I am effectively now vanilla town, but yes Dunn protected me, but EP sent through a thing to me saying I am only protected night 2. So the missing kill is not because I was shot at, unless there was another protection.

I would assume that there is a doc or something with a clear at the moment if Pun isn't just bluffing and is actually scum.

[Espeonage]

Just for clarity's sake.

EP sent through a correction. The action gets used night 1, but comes in to effect night 2.

So if Dunn had shot me I would be dying tomorrow night. And I am protected from kills tonight.

[Espeonage]

I remember disagreeing with that read but this whole thing today has kinda wiped my brain of a lot of day 1.

[Espeonage]

And just like that Fire provides more evidence that he is an idiot that fucked up a fake claim.

[Espeonage]

:/ I'm gonna back off. I think I might be conf biasing all over this.

[Espeonage]

Ok, I am so sorry. I had one of those so not busy weekends that you boot up civ then realise it's been two days and it's 2am and you have work in 8 hours.

[Espeonage]

Someone catch me up.

[Espeonage]

I remember disagreeing with pp pressure day 1 so I'll throw unsupport behind it too.

[Espeonage]

What the fuck part of DUNN IS CONF TOWN is that hard to fucking read. I would not be surprised if my ISO is about 30% posts that include me reiterating that to people.

Fire is fucking scum. He fucked up a fake claim guilty on me to buy himself a day, and I guess to that end he succeeded. So this needs to end now.

Vote: Fire

[Espeonage]

Ooooooooooooooooooooo. I think Vax is a friendly neighbour.

[Espeonage]

Ooooooooooooooooooooo. I think Vax is a friendly neighbour.

1) Unlikely. With 2 cops a tracker neighbor and my memory is shit at midnight other invests.
2) It would have hit me and thus been created
3) if true Unless scum rolestopped me but why?
4) Why the fuck you fishin?

5) sleep sounds amazing.

If he was a friendly neighbour maria wouldn't be a cop now would she.

idk I thought I had a brain wave.

[Espeonage]

I didn't really have scum reads and lack of content got really negatively voted as a result.

That has since become hypocritical but w/e.

[Espeonage]

Why were people thinking the scum might have lied about their rankings anyway?

This tbh. Scum have to fabricate reads so why would they not just fabricate reads that make voting go well for them? If they are passing day play they pass vote scrutiny.

[Espeonage]

Please talk me though why you don't want to lynch someone you think is going to flip scum?

[Espeonage]

You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*

Hot take: There's not two cops.

[Espeonage]

I dunno. Doc or some shit. Idk why they'd protect you, but w/e.

I'm kinda musing though, and this can be backburner considering no flipped scums, but possibility of an SK?

[Espeonage]

You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*

Was trying to rectify this bc its a good point.

[Espeonage]

Ok look Vax is almost certainly not mafia here. Also almost certainly not an Sk here. Lets get off the conf inno.

How many votes does Shep have?

Scum could have a doc. Or there could be some other doc or jail keep or something and they are trying to protect themselves from night kills.

I forget who made the point I think it was Dv that SK pun stays alive anyway because we need dead scum as much as they would. And well town pun is town so yeah.

Why don't we all come at this tomorrow after another night of night actions, and instead we lynch the fucking obvious scumlord that is Fire.

I just want it on record though that Shep has gone batshit crazy, but if they are town I would totally do the same in their shoes. I had an IC game where I lived two extra nights because of a JOAT protect, and then a change in the game complexion where scum needed the SK dead and SK wanted the scum dead so they tried to cross shot or some shit. I flipped out at people for not taking my day play seriously.

[Espeonage]

Prod came down and I am glad to see that FA is at tipping point.

[Espeonage]

Ok look this thing is getting fucked. I have no incentive to do anything because there is an absolutely fucking obvious lynch here and until that gets taken there's jack shit else. We have no scum flips to do associatives with. And given the absolutely fucking tiny chance Fire flips town I kinda don't want to associative.

If I can be arsed I'll have a look, but if anyone is feeling motivated, tell me who Fire's partners are.

[Espeonage]

I fucking hate avocado. But that isn't game related.

[Espeonage]

Are you actually serious.

[Espeonage]

You say you check me, when I go this is fucking bullshit and Maria goes I'm a cop too you add a thing to your role. Ohey turns out you fucked up.

People buy it though.

Then we get to today and you cop the fucking guy that your innocent result says is fucking town for role related reasons coupled with day play.

And now you are possibly avoiding the lynch so instead of potentially fucking up again you go lets all pick who I investigate, because that way no one will question my target like they did today and I was lucky as fuck to not get lynched for that.

This is ridiculous how people aren't seeing this.

[Espeonage]

Ok, lets go down that road.

Shep, name someone that has argued to fuck with you about setup spec in game and tells you forthright when you are wrong. Because that would describe me.

And if me and math are agreeing that your shit makes no sense from a setup standpoint, that means something is fucked up.

[Espeonage]

Why the fuck is Maria all of a sudden a thing?

[Espeonage]

Votecount 3.9

Commander Shepard

(4): Fire Assassin, Vaxkiller, MariaR, DeasVail

Shoshin

(3): Punreader, Commander Shepard, the worst

Fire Assassin

(2): Espeonage, guacamole

Not Voting

(3): Chara, Dunnstral, Shoshin

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-21 13:08:00)

Looking to replace Chara.

If shep were town then scum would be clamoring to this wagon. Unless your arguing most of us are scum.... then why wouldnt we jump to ANOTHER wagon, unless your arguing THEY are scum too. Is everyone scum cshep?


GET ON THIS WAGON EVERYONE!!!!

This is probably conf bias talking but if Fire is scum, scum wouldn't want to be caught all jumping on Shep. The counterpoint is Shep on Sho. But I think it shines worst on the worst.

:/ Scum are also locked by their stated reads I guess. The people not on a wagon need to get on a wagon because if like Sho and Chara are scum we're arguing while a slice of scum are just sitting around waiting.

[Espeonage]

I am against the cross invest bc scum can kill Maria for nothing but gain especially if I am right about Fire.

[Espeonage]

I will compromise on Sho, worst, or DV I think.

[Espeonage]

Dv is just a weird niggle so probs not super keen on that, but I think it will shed good light on some clutch arguments that have happened like the four bet slots.

[Espeonage]

The biggest selling point is Sho and Shepard don't seem like partners because if they were they'd fake the push and then both go after me and it doesn't seem like that's happening.
Pedit: Wouldn't it be better if I checked fire's cop result to see his sanity?

Don't we know his supposed sanity.

The issue isn't the validity of results, it's the choice of targets and the fact that he only revealed more about his role when pressured because of being batshit crazy.

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We still have time deadline got frozen.

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Vote: Shoshin

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Yeah bad vote.

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If you want to lynch a vig your options are pun or pun.

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By your logic I am scum too. Dunn and I have the same role and our options included killing the other. It wasn't a proper vig.

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Being wrong and an idiot is usually a town tell though. Like all of this bullshit I don't see coming from a scum slot.

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Pun is prob sk
Vax is my inno
only 1 of dunn/esp can vig

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Ok.

Vote: Shep

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Sorry peeps, I've had a busy couple of days. I will have some time tomorrow.

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Vote: Fire

Could lynch a few people though if for some ungodly reason people are going to be as stubborn as ever on Fire. (Which hint, makes me want it more, this much resistance is fucked up.)

Regardless of what people think in this Vax v Pun debate, if one of them is Sk they need scum dead as much as we do. There is no world where either of them get lynched today.

I really want to put this cop bullshit to rest, we know that Maria was town. It's time to lynch Fire.

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I feel so confident in the next few days worth of lynches once we flip fire.

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I am shocked.

I didn't even get my night action in.
I am so out of this game.

Yeah lets not lynch this. Totally brilliant idea everyone.

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I am here, I had issues going on.

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Huh, Fire Assassin bussed. Dope.

LOL DV we are still alive!



So Espeonage claimed vig? Esp what has been going on with you and night actions?

Sho why is the worst best lynch today?

I'm not a vig, I lost the bet, and Dunn chose to make me night kill immune over killing me on night 2.

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Espeonage, Fire Assassin is dead. This is cool. What now?

I'm doing some reading.

Sho however looks very good from the early game solve this day phase, as does pun.

Leaning towards Krazy and you or worst.

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I feel like pun is ignoring that distancing is a thing when multiple scum players are under pressure.

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Esp, so you think worst is killing scum?

Can you expand on this reasoning?

No I think worst is maybe scum. ?_?

I am most worried about the lack of claim coming from him after he said he was gonna.

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Also, I understand that DUNN gambles, but Espe, what was your role aside from Dunn's bet? Isn't the bet more a function of Dunn's role than of yours?

Dunn and I had the exact same role. Like exactly. We could only interact with each other with the power we got and it was 1 shot and night 2 only.

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The bet was that whoever one got to do something to the other.

Dunn wont he bet and made me NK immune on night 2.

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Then share with the class.

For someone that likes to be a happy community get everyone mobilised style town player, you are doing the opposite this day phase.

Town you would have shared straight away and let the rest of the list do the fact checking with you. With every post you make I am increasingly sure that you are holding out because you are scared of being judged in case you are wrong, which would only be the case if either 1. You are scum and therefore scared of repercussions, or 2. are scum and know that you are wrong, or at least only half right.

Bottom line is, I want to know not only what you think you've found, but also why you are holding out.

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Ah yes, bc Dunn's was fake too.

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My conf bias is telling me this is theatre.

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Thinking about it, I can believe that Chara finessed the game and Krazy tried really hard to just rise those coat tails.

Vote: Krazy

worst is top pick for 4th scum.

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Espe, did you have another part to your role?

Nope.

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Espe, did you have another part to your role?

Nope.

That's weird.

Dunn did.

And the role sort of implies that you both had other aspects to your role (i.e. vanillaise).

As the game went on, I kinda viewed it as an option for each way you are reasing the other slot.

Kill if you think they are scum,
nk immune if you think they are town,
vanillaise if you are unsure which is effectively do nothing.

But yeah, would vanillaise have done anything to him then?

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Oh he had a hood.

Well if I won the bet and vanillaised it also would have done nothing.

'shrug' red herring I guess?

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Lol ya I just went back to his flip.

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Was mariar our cop? wahts espy again?

Yes, and the same as Dunn minus being in a hood.

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Actually there's another possibility you know.

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This is a promise to contribute tomorrow.

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Ok what's been happening.

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Oh

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Wait why is pun convinced me and Sho are scum?

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Hmm ok 8 alive. Most likely scenario is 5/2/1 if pun is sk.

Say scum gets lynched 5/1/1, say two town die which would make sense.

3/1/1 scum gets lynched, town dies to sk. 2/1 and that's a dead sk in lylo.

If town gets lynched it's 4/2/1, sk can shoot town 2/2/1 which is kingmaker, either sk gets lynched and scum win, or town gets lynched and either scum win or it goes to 3 player kingmaker or some shit. Or scum gets lynched 2/1/1 and there's a few permutations for how that plays out but town isn't winning.

Basically thinking about it, if you believe there's an sk, they have a vested interest in lynching town.

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Woah hey Espe Reg and I were just talking about you!

What is the significance of the above post to you personally?

I think it means pun actually townreads both me and sho. Or at least me bc that's what is being pushed.

It explains the turnaround evident in even just this day phase.

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Krazy, why do you think that you should have been killed last night so badly.

We're I scum I would have probably shot Vax. Conf town and didn't come out about 1 shot until today, so that makes a brilliant kill for scum at that juncture. Second would have been Dunn the other mechanically confirmed town player. Everyone else on the playerlist is not confirmed town because mine fizzled when it was finally proven to be a fucked up fake result.

So I don't get where that narrative is coming from, and it feels like something cooked up that has fallen flat so you're going to try and beat a dead horse for all the confusion you can like shep did.

For the record I also agree with Sho's lynchpool assessment above. I would order it as probably Krazy, Guac, DV, worst at this point. Scum worst doesn't need to meta me like that, and scum DV also doesn't need to defend me like he has. Basically I've started giving cred to people who are resistant to town lynched.

Also Krazy, in what world does town take an automatic loss at 2/2/1 when they can take a stab with a lynch and if it hits, go to 4 man night, hope that both kills hit the same person go to 1/1/1, force a no lynch and hope to got that the SK is killable, forcing a cross kill.
If you are the SK and are bulletproof you also always win that because town has to take the only small chance of winning in trying to kill scum.

I am convinced that pun is SK, and that their reads are made opposite to further their ends, and thus are trying to lynch me or Sho.

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Hi peeps. My mum has been in hospital hence no posting th epast 24 hours or so, if it's quiet at work I'll be around tomorrow.

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Hi all, I've been prodded, I should have some time tonight.