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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:02 am

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In post 208, Keyser Söze wrote:I am very happy I am not being mass town read (so kinda liking Irrelephant11’s against-the-grind suspicion).


That replace out is bad... (sadly just feeds my suspicion of their slot, was hoping they would come back and win me over.)
???town

What's your experience with elephant?
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:02 am

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I mean, okay, but,

this is how he plays

so we should


just

Spoiler:
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clear him
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:04 am

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I was just thinking about how I would hurt and offended and sad if Shoshin weren't town so I did an ISO and found these questions
In post 95, Shoshin wrote:
In post 93, Irrelephant11 wrote:Shoshin, what do you think of Nauci?
I got nothing yet. You?
In post 112, Shoshin wrote:Irrelephant, any thoughts on Stun's 109?
that I didn't respond to :oops:

but also now I've talked about Nauci I guess and I like 109 for feeling like a confused townie who's throwing out ideas (v. certain scum trying to sell lies)
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:05 am

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Yeah the rest of page 9 pushes key closer to town
In post 226, the worst wrote:quack quack
HEY I SEE YOU.

talk to me about your pred. What do you think about the talk around him?
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:09 am

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hey it's mom. Hi Mom!!!!

Who on your wagon do you think is scum? because prolly one of 'em, regardless of your alignment
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:14 am

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As far as my take away from the early banter.

Skitter??scum
Shostown
Invisscum

Skits been moving back and forth between town and scum and at least seems to try and do something. He's someone I'm gonna look into more when im... Caught up

Pedit: uhh.. I see duck and NSG so... Duck?
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:19 am

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In post 240, Bernie Sanders wrote:keysors okay for now and might actually have a lead with skitter so onus is on you

I think I might(?) have had an ancient keysor tell/spec written down I might look into later
In post 276, Shoshin wrote:
In post 208, Keyser Söze wrote:I am very happy I am not being mass town read (so kinda liking Irrelephant11’s against-the-grind suspicion).
Also, this feels town. Yes, scum fake this sort of thing. But Key? Unlikely.
In post 278, Shoshin wrote:No.
Interesting.
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:20 am

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Bernie quote does not belong there ignore
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:28 am

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In post 474, Momrangal wrote:And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"
I didn't say you should "clear" Invis because of meta, I said you shouldn't scumread him for things that aren't scummy for him to do. How would you feel if someone called you scummy because of things that you do in every game as town? You'd think that person was scumreading you for things that aren't scummy, right? Apply that same logic to Invis.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:28 am

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Irrelephant, what do you think of Skitter?
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:34 am

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People do that to me all the time, boo
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:35 am

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Also you never really explained how you know me. I'm not to savy with the new crowd
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:36 am

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I don't know you but your games on the site are publicly viewable.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:43 am

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@mom I can answer 475 with "none" just to save KS the trouble

I think Skitter belongs in everyone's scumlean pile, but I don't actually know if that's because she's scum. I shared some stuff about her last page.

I don't think she's scum with you (early argument with you), me (lol), math (early argument with you), stun ( (Sidenote: I do like 283 from her)), or Bernie ()

so if any of those flip red I'd townlean her, till then though that basically means "I don't think she's scum with my townreads" which is kinda meaningless

Her reads in 376 are lame.

Interactions between her and Keyser feel stiff and I can't decide whose fault it is, or maybe both
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:45 am

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skitter30 ISO re-read.


I begin this re-read not trusting skitter (I believe she is poking her nose in the easy fights, neither do I believe the sincerity of some of her scum reads).
Let's find out if I am being too harsh here.
Here we go...


Ok, I can see why skitter is pulling up Shoshin on his 'remarkable' entrance (#20), hell, even I was dumbfounded by Shoshin's first few posts. But i've seen scum attack townies for being overly suspicious for NAI behaviour... so this is what I was initially picking up from skitter (#26). I feel like a townie would have just let it go but skitter presses on (#28), (#42). If you're not finding their behaviour scum alignment indicative, why are you getting so worked up about it? I feel scum find it easier to talk about misunderstandings (which can be completely NAI matters).

What I got from these interactions was a 'Shoshin-and-skitter' aren't scum partners. I also concluded skitter may have been the scum to jump on Shoshin's unconventional entrance.

Questions/challenges Momrangal's reads (#70). Engages Mom into a discussion about "lurking".
Is skitter here to just correct players?


Throws out easy questions: "why?"/"how" (#283).

Agrees with Nauci's point about Mathdino's playstyle making "it easier to obfuscate" - but has skitter acted on this suspicion directly with Mathdino yet?

"I don't really know if people can be classified as 'lurkers' when the game hasn't even been a thing for a full day yet." Again, Skitter here slightly nitpicking at Stun's observation instead of trying to understand the sentiment.

Skitter puts mom in the same breath as gamma (#293). Gamma's effort has frustrated me so far, but wouldn't put in the same category as the frustration/suspicion with mom. That's just my take though.

Skitter talking about her suspicion of Mathdino... but still no direct communication with Mathdino to resolve her suspicions...? (#325). OK... finally engages with Mathdino (or Mathdino confronts Skitter).

Shares final scumleans... "scumlean: math, duckling, mom, gamma". I don't know why they share the same level. Math sounds more like a null/null scum read, as skitter believes Mathdino will prove himself town in the long run, so best to keep Mathdino alive for now...


Sorry skitter. I don't believe you. Strangely, do you believe my suspicions/paranoia are real?
Unfortunately, you remain a
scum lean
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:46 am

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Alright, cool. So Nauci, Skitter, and the worst as scum? I think that makes the most sense at this point.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:48 am

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I can't read the worst tell me more
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:50 am

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In post 490, Shoshin wrote:Alright, cool. So Nauci, Skitter, and the worst as scum? I think that makes the most sense at this point.
nsg’s a legit possibility too. everybody has at least 17 posts except her. she has 4 (-13 compared to everyone else)
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:51 am

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In post 414, Keyser Söze wrote:momrangel actually came back with a bang.
Did I now?
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:52 am

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also shoshin, you trying to call the scumteam D1 reads as scummy and is my least fav thing you've done this game

I think playing with you I'll just always get hot flashes of paranoia, won't I

Like what if you're buddying me and really good at it
Oh well. It's honestly fine for now if it's true
Consider me buddied, we're buddies now. Buddied up from now till lylo see you then <3
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:55 am

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In post 473, Irrelephant11 wrote:Nauci is actually reminding me completely of our scum game together: "casual" as a way of seeming town without doing much work
VOTE: Nauci
Interesting.
"Casual"
is an excellent word. If you say she does this as scum, that is very concerning.
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:57 am

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Isn't northsidegal supposed to be a
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:58 am

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In post 493, Momrangal wrote:
In post 414, Keyser Söze wrote:momrangel actually came back with a bang.
Did I now?
It was epic.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:59 am

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I don't see the harm in speculating about the scumteam on D1. As I said before, I intend to lynch scum on D1 and part of doing that includes analyzing potential teams as corroborative evidence.

Re: the worst - it's partly poe, partly Gemini replacing out, and partly the worst's posts having a scum agenda and feeling fake - the "mind meld" with Gemini especially felt fake, the townlean on Skitter and null on Nauci makes lots of sense as partner interactions given my other reads, the strong townread on Bernie didn't really make sense and feels like the worst is trying to emulate his town meta of having at least someone he reads as strong town, and then lots of overall weak nothing reads everywhere else. I think someone said that Key was scummy for leaving avenues open but that's actually what I see the worst doing, especially about the easily lynchable players (e.g. Mom, Gamma, Invis).
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:04 am

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In post 492, stungun0404 wrote:nsg’s a legit possibility too.
She's a possibility that I'll worry about when she starts posting more. If she doesn't post more and one of my other suspects flips town, then yeah, lynch her.

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