SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Chara]

Taly: can you talk about your strong Nahdia townread for me?
apologies if that's in your ISO, i'm slowly catching up, and i tend to not do so in an orderly fashion.

Maria: are you still not townreading Dunn? your read on him is valuable for me. :>
and yes Taly, i do trust you for the most part. while reading earlier i had this Taly/Penguin scum theory but i don't know if it holds water. hahaha.

pedit: good. i deserve it. mafia is about being towny, not being helpful, right? ...right?

[the worst]

waht I thought mafia was about memeing and making friends

is this why I keep losing?!?

[Chara]

as long as you're having fun, you win. but winning is the most fun.

[Chara]

Not a lot of time today due to work. Taly/Worst/Chara are likely town and you should be wary of people who voted me highly (except me, because I can't not rate me highly).

VOTE: Fire

p-edit

It was a fairly condescending comment, duck.

what was actually the cause of this drastic change in your rankings from your day 1 feelings? i'd like you to tell me as much as possible about it.

[Chara]

drastic change in your reads from day 1. i know the rankings are from your day 1 thoughts.
terms.

[Taly]

DV, with the recent pages, do you think it's more likely the entire group of 4 are all town? (Espe/Dunn/Fire/Vax)

Yeah probably

What about my posts regarding

Fire/Maria

likely not being different alignments, where I lost a shred of my sanity in the process?

You think

Vax

is town but

Maria

, do you think her cop claim and innocent holds weight?

Taly: can you talk about your strong Nahdia townread for me?
apologies if that's in your ISO, i'm slowly catching up, and i tend to not do so in an orderly fashion.

Maria: are you still not townreading Dunn? your read on him is valuable for me. :>
and yes Taly, i do trust you for the most part. while reading earlier i had this Taly/Penguin scum theory but i don't know if it holds water. hahaha.

pedit: good. i deserve it. mafia is about being towny, not being helpful, right? ...right?

I WOULD have a stronger townread on

Nahdia

if she were more available in the game. But:

521 - I don't think scum would advocate for ending the day during their first posts. It seemed to bring a good bit of attention that really wouldn't serve scum much because we only had 3-4 days of D1 left. It seemed genuine. I feel like scum would more or less hop onto that if it made them look towny in the process.

550 - I did like their original idea of no randoming/lying and keeping everything straight forward. I feel like the claims and setup spec in this game have bogged town down often and so I think her stance is towny.

608 - She's one of the few people that actually gave reasons behind

PP

being town to me, when I've asked it repeatedly. With as much shit going between

Me/PP

in D1, I like that she took the approach of answering my question rather than dismissing

Me/PP

off as TvS... which was my biggest problem with the playerlist D1.

935 - Their reasons here don't seem forced at all. She outlined her thoughts from her ranking and expanded onto them in the present.

There's just nothing in

Nahdia's

ISO that glares to me as scummy... I want to know why she's not a higher townread in the playerlist.

I want to her speak again and talk to me about my reads - then I'll decide on placing her in the townbloc or not.

[Taly]

Also

Chara

Can yuo talk to me about my posts from 1287 to 1294?

...I'm really not seeing

Fire/Maria

as TvS.

Notes

They both have realistic mechanics to their investigative roles.

They've never really sided with each other in this game even though they apparently townread

PP

and scumread

Pun

from what I've read, but they don't add to the discussion onto that unless prodded.

Both of them acted as if their claims were counters of the other when we've already had mechanical counterclaims.

I don't like that they both say the other fakeclaimed.

~

These 2 just look like either self-destructing town

((because investigatives can be weeded out quite easily))

, or scum... I can't see of another more likely reality at the moment.

And, I don't know if I want to place a vote somewhere on those 2, or try and figure

Pun/PP

out, or look at someone else for a change.

~

O_O

I'm starting to seriously doubt that

Maria V Fire

are TvS.

I don't know if it's TvT or SvS, but my brain's weird shit right now, and I don't know if I'm 100% on point, or extremely off. So I'm going to think here.

Am I going crazy

TW

?

BRUH NO YOU JUST WALLPOSTED THE CONTSNTS OF MY BRAIN

Or maybe we're both going crazy idk yet

Talk to me about your reasons for this? Or are they close to mine, if they still exist?

[Taly]

I'm feeling better about

Pun

being town-vig.

Pun

, can you give me your thoughts on

Fire/Maria

?

[Taly]

10, MariaR
10, Punreader Role.
10, Espeonage Towny town
9, TehBrawlGuy Towny town.
8, the worst he interests me
7, PenguinPower wanted him to survive
6, Srceenplay tr
6, Chara Big tr but didn't need that many points
5, Dunnstral place holder
5, DeasVail place holder
4, Taly ehh someone I need to keep my eye on
4, Shoshin Felt was gonna live anyway so gave a low ratings
3, Fire Assassin Didn't mind if they died
2, Pine People wanted him low
1, Vaxkiller forgot
0, Lovebird Poe
0, NicoRobin Will never be useful
0 Nahdia is scum

there ya go taly

1)

I still don't get your read on

Dunn

2)

I don't know why you were OK with

Fire

dying?

3)

Why give

Lovebird

a 0 at all??? There really wasn't a lot of content to judge from there.

4)

If you believe

Nahdia

is scum, why is your vote on

Fire

, and why is this the first time you explicitly say

Nahdia

is scum?

5)

....Why did you ever put

Pine

low?

"people wanted him low"

is not a reason conducive to gamesolving?...

6)

So you forgot about

Vax

and then copped him? Why not

Nahdia

, who is scum to you?

7)

Why did you want

PP

to survive?

8)

Do you think

Fire/Nahdia

are associated?

[Shoshin]

Hey Taly, any reason to believe MariaR is town?

[Taly]

Hey Taly, any reason to believe MariaR is town?

They cop claimed and resulted an innocent on

Vax

Oh, and

Chara

... I don't know what's going on exactly with the

MariaR/Chara

thing, and I do feel confident with my townread on

Chara

, so I wonder if a vote on

Maria

means one for

Chara

, if so...

Similar to

Fire

, her cop claim is one of the few things keeping me from 2v1ing against both of them.

Funnily enough, I townread

Vax/Espe

more than

Fire/Maria

at the moment, if we didn't look at claims/results.

In hindsight, I don't understand why

Fire

copped

Espe

, and he SAYS it's because of a scumread, but that scumread hasn't really been elaborated on in the 40 pages leading up to the misleading guilty.

...I just, ugh.

Shoshin

, can you give me your full thoughts on

Fire/Maria

? Do you think they're TvS?

Principle tells me

Fire/Maria

are town. :/

Gameplay and context clues make me paranoid they can be groupscum.

I've already listed the universal truths between them.

I need more people engaging with me about this.

[Taly]

Oh, and Chara... I don't know what's going on exactly with the MariaR/Chara thing, and I do feel confident with my townread on Chara, so I wonder if a vote on Maria means one for Chara, if so...

Also, I want

Chara/MariaR

to confirm this.

[MariaR]

I'm not answering that

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: MariaR

[Shoshin]

Shoshin, can you give me your full thoughts on Fire/Maria? Do you think they're TvS?

I'm not sure. As I said on D1, I thought MariaR was pretty scummy and Fire felt sort of off to me but I felt a lot worse about MariaR. If behaviors are any indication, at least one of them is scum, maybe both. But maybe neither because of claims? I dunno. I haven't caught up yet with all the claims so I need to think through this a bit. I'm feeling a bit zoned out of the game but I want to try getting in this - can you summarize what's going on with the claims and a basic rundown of what you're thinking?

[PenguinPower]

I wonder if a vote on Maria means one for Chara, if so...

Pretty simple to test out.

Why aren't you voting me?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: MariaR

Hmm, this throws me off. PP's one of my top suspects as well.

[MariaR]

1) I still don't get your read on Dunn
2) I don't know why you were OK with Fire dying?
3) Why give Lovebird a 0 at all??? There really wasn't a lot of content to judge from there.
4) If you believe Nahdia is scum, why is your vote on Fire, and why is this the first time you explicitly say Nahdia is scum?
5) ....Why did you ever put Pine low? "people wanted him low" is not a reason conducive to gamesolving?...
6) So you forgot about Vax and then copped him? Why not Nahdia, who is scum to you?
7) Why did you want PP to survive?
8) Do you think Fire/Nahdia are associated?

1) Dunn is town
2) I don't know why you wouldn't be
3) Why not?
4) I've...openly said Nahdia is scum before
5) It is for me just because I don't beat to your drum doesn't mean you can try to discredit mine.
6) You should never cop people who you think are scum you should cop people who are gonna be hard to read lurkers etc Nahdia would be much easier to read than Vax and get lynched. Why would I cop someone I'm confident is flipping scum?
7) His role because it has part of my role and it interested me
8) I don't look at teams.


Chara come around so we can talk about readss

[MariaR]

VOTE: MariaR

VOTE: PP
You put me high and chara too so why if I say "don't do this" because I clearly don't want to give the answer would you try?

[MariaR]

Like you're not lynching me or Chara today so why give the info to scum on if this works or not

[PenguinPower]

I did it before I read your post.

UNVOTE:

Not like that changes much, but I also don't see why no one else would have thought of it...

[MariaR]

Shoshin actively avoiding talking to there scumread and pointing out why I'm scum is pretty shady also. Like you've called I believe 2 posts of mine scummy with 0 reason why I believe correct me if I'm incorrect
Pedit: Thank you UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

Hmm, this throws me off. PP's one of my top suspects as well.

Then why aren't you voting me?

[PenguinPower]

So much shade being thrown at me with so little votes.

Makes me think pun is actually town...

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Shoshin