Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[mastina]

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Votecount 2-13 (53) Simple

MathBlade - 4 (CheekyTeeky, Nosferatu, NicoRobin, RadiantCowbells)

RadiantCowbells - 3 (MathBlade, Theta Alpine, ArcAngel9)

Theta Alpine - 1 (projectmatt)
Gamma Emerald - 1 (Keychain)
NicoRobin - 1 (Gamma Emerald)
Keychain - 1 (HeWhoSwims)

Not Voting - 4 (Creature, Ankamius, hebichan, Vecna)

Mod Notes

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• CheekyTeeky has been prodded. CheekyTeeky has this long to post: (expired on 2018-06-26 17:42:04).
  
• MathBlade is V/LA until Thursday, June 27th.
  
• mastina will generate a more advanced votecount if she has the capacity to give it. No promises!

[HeWhoSwims]

RC why dont you be a darling and tell us the recruit then

[Gamma Emerald]

Jailkeep + neighborizer follows the wiki each role acts as expected

Plus it also resembles the EM role Jailer, so it can be explained using that

[Gamma Emerald]

Keep in mind, the silence from the hood mates is actually confirming everything I am saying.

If I ever lie then it would be treated as a scum claim.

The silence means that they are just inactive in general or want me to die.

And yet you never give any indication that you want your hood mates to out?

[Gamma Emerald]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

I understand this is in reference to an ongoing game, but the second that game end I'm going to raise a major objection.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice AtE

"Vote with me or you're dumb"

I've called you out wrt Cheeky and youve fakeclaimed at least once

Plus if you're scum and I townread you and follow your mislynch it fits the hws=traitor theory and it nets you a mislynch... But that's theoretical for now

this is extremely self-conscious but I won't bother with it because you seem aware of it

[Gamma Emerald]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

Why? Also doesn't this conflict with your reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

if it feels like they have an agenda behind them, it's because they do. i don't really care that trying to push the goal of lynching mathblade makes me

look

like a partner of RC. i think they're mafia, or that we have the easy solution of having the hood kill RC on the chance that math flips town.

Well there's also the fact a doctor could protect mastina and fuck the whole thing up? I'm not in the mood to leave anything to a vig rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

1. RC says who the hood recruited. My hood buddies know who this is. If RC can’t say we Lynch RC.

2. The end. Because he can’t.. Because outing the hood is really anti town.

<<Goes back to VLA things.

And yet you said yourself earlier that your hoodmates not outing proves they're inactive/want you to die? Or is that referring to your potential scumteam?

[MathBlade]

Keep in mind, the silence from the hood mates is actually confirming everything I am saying.

If I ever lie then it would be treated as a scum claim.

The silence means that they are just inactive in general or want me to die.

And yet you never give any indication that you want your hood mates to out?

I actually don’t want the hood to out everyone.

That gives too much power to scum.

However if I was lying a town member of the hood would say

“Math is lying. I am in the hood this is reality.”

I would be instantly voted.

Ergo by no one doing that it is proven that I am telling the truth.

Proof by silence.

[MathBlade]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

I understand this is in reference to an ongoing game, but the second that game end I'm going to raise a major objection.

+1

[Ankamius]

Math actually tied everybody up in the basement of the hood first so they couldn't

That's why we've had so many replacements

[Ankamius]

Math do you think RC could be town

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

1. RC says who the hood recruited. My hood buddies know who this is. If RC can’t say we Lynch RC.

2. The end. Because he can’t.. Because outing the hood is really anti town.

<<Goes back to VLA things.

And yet you said yourself earlier that your hoodmates not outing proves they're inactive/want you to die? Or is that referring to your potential scumteam?

A hood mate could easily confirm everything I have said thus far is true.

However they are not.

One hood mate is all it takes to confirm RC is scum.
Similarly if I was scum (hint I am not) all it takes is one hood mate to go

“Math lies in post xyz. <<Insert Math vote here>>” rest of hood follows.

I would rather not out the entire hood. I am pretty sure it’s all town or damn near close.

[MathBlade]

Math do you think RC could be town

Only if scum fucked with his PR or he is fake claiming.

I understand those are logical possibilities.

However I deal in most likely.

It is most likely RC is lying since he can’t say who we recruited.

It’s most likely RC fake claimed twice and thus more likely he is scum.

[Ankamius]

Math do you see why that logic is flawed

[MathBlade]

If he is fake claiming town then we sent the message of you can’t single handedly destroy two days of game and not be lynched.

He did it with Luna and he in that case would be doing it with me.

If he is manipulated town to someone else then we would never get a useful result again as scum would continue to fuck with RC however it was done the first time. Thus invalidating his don’t lynch a claimed PR.

Ergo fucking lynch RC.

Perot no I don’t. If I did I wouldn’t have said it.

[Ankamius]

Mastina was directly asked about it, there's no direct proof that RC even can track the hood actions.

[MathBlade]

Mastina was directly asked about it, there's no direct proof that RC even can track the hood actions.

That is why I asked Mastina what a tracker result on me would be. If the hood wasn’t night only I would freaking ask right now in it for the hood to see.

Instead I could copy paste the question here and have everyone in the hood fucking ask it and this delay the game again. Anyone in the hood could easily ask Mastina

“Hey assume I am scum incorrectly and did the night kill on someone not recruited. Assume a recruit on XYZ is successful. Assume a tracker tracked me and no one fucked with my actions or the tracker. What results would the tracker get?” << That is a paraphrase.

She would say that the person asking visited the nightkilled player and the recruit.

Point fucking blank recruits are tracked.

[MathBlade]

Get on me*

[MathBlade]

Me lying about that is tantamount to suicide when X+1 other people can check me.

So anything else I “missed” Ank?

[Nosferatu]

you cant use "x amount of people can check if that's true" as an confidence argument when x could literally be 1

like it just sounds dumb

[Vecna]

Or when x can literally be zero.

We have no proof whatsoever that this hood actually exists

Like GE and Ankamius are the likely candidates to be in there, but theres so much weirdness surrounding their slots that goes counter to that logic that.....yeah.

Still surprised this hasnt come from mr Tracker RC's mouth though.

Math also keeps dancing around my argument though. If theres no scum in the hood, scum cannot take it over. If there IS scum in the hood, he's only keeping town in the dark, severely limiting our game solving options.

[Vecna]

At any rate, RC is up for a move in talking about his missing result first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Or when x can literally be zero.

We have no proof whatsoever that this hood actually exists

Like GE and Ankamius are the likely candidates to be in there, but theres so much weirdness surrounding their slots that goes counter to that logic that.....yeah.

Still surprised this hasnt come from mr Tracker RC's mouth though.

Math also keeps dancing around my argument though. If theres no scum in the hood, scum cannot take it over. If there IS scum in the hood, he's only keeping town in the dark, severely limiting our game solving options.

Excuse me WHAT weirdness surrounds my slot?