Large Normal 212: Korts' Geriatrics - Game Over @1831

[OnTheMark]

I feel happy that I am leading a wagon and it is turning up with all my townreads on it.

Yay!

[Axelrod]

I can't even get worked up about this. Never have I been so apathetic about possibly being lynched. I blame no one else. Clearly I have no time for this game, so I'll just apologize in advance for contributing to this loss.

I am the vanilla-est of vanilla townies, so, nothing to see here.

If I'm not hammered before tomorrow, I might have some time to put into this. If only by way of parting thoughts.

[Axelrod]

Also wondering how it works with a PGO? Presumably the PGO is not getting Night-Killed, but only ever getting lynched.

Would a Universal Back-up show positive to a Gunsmith? I'm guessing the answer would have to be "No" despite them potentially acquiring the "Gun" later.

I''m not reviewing the "Normal" game rules atm, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not restricted on the overall

number

of roles that can be in the game. Just the number of

certain types

of roles?

This reads like asking too many questions to seem active when 90% of this could just be asked to the moderator. There are rules for how Universal Backup works. This is a normal game. This feels like Axel is trying to avoid giving content.

There is, in fact, a point to asking those questions to the thread. I also wouldn't expect a moderator to answer any questions concerning whether someone could be false-claiming.

[Axelrod]

oof. Prodded.

So far, I've read up through page 10 and the last few pages and have been skimming in between and looking at VCs. So, forgive me for working with incomplete information but I need to go ahead and start engaging with people in order to get into this and get up to speed.
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Axel did you ever explain why you weren't voting anyone at the end of D1? I know the KMD wagon formed quickly but there was quite a bit of time between that and your unvote off of Pine.

Well, essentially, given that I was one of the people up on the block for possible lynching, I did not feel comfortable voting someone else that I didn't have a particularly strong feeling about just to save my own skin. It is entirely possible if not likely that I would have voted if we had got to the deadline and someone was L-1, to avoid a No Lynch. But I just wasn't feeling the various options as they were under the circumstances.

OK, but here's what I'm seeing:

Vote Count

(4) Lycanfire - hitogoroshi, Old Man, Kmd4390, Eddie Cane
(4) Kmd4390 - Tammy, Pine, Ginngie, insanity018
(3) Axelrod - roflcopter, ManaofIllusion, Kison
(2) hitogoroshi - CooLDoG, Firebringer
(1) MagnaofIllusion - Lycanfire

not voting:

Axelrod

8 to lynch

Deadline is 6 PM EST on Monday the 28th of May.

I repeat. Deadline is in

1 day.

Viable options included my slot and KMD, both of which you had expressed concern about pretty consistently :

And at risk of giving people new and interesting reasons to vote me, here's where I am on everyone, with the rather large caveat that a lot of this is based on early game stuff when I was a bit more active and there are a bunch of people I've only got vague feelings about. These are pretty rough orders, especially within groups.

The most Townish:

CooLDoG (I'm currently buying PGO, and that means Town. I feel like that is not a gambit that scum would be likely to make in their first post of the game. I mean it's possible, but not

likely

.)
Eddie Cane (I am currently buying what he is selling. If he's scum he's got some very big *****
Old Man (Even aside from IC claim, and annoying posting style, he's been all right. Rather large caveat: if he doesn't put up with the Innocent Child thing first thing tomorrow, he's gone)
Tammy

Morality chamber

(Tammy has almost completely redeemed the Chamber slot for me. I really like how she's posting).
insanity018 (asking reasonable questions. I "get" most everything he says, even if not always agreeing 100%. I feel he's a little like me, maybe. With a slightly less wordy style.)
hitogoroshi (similar to Insanity. I like what seems to be a pretty logical approach. Maybe trying to be a little too...tricky?)

The I do not knows:

MagnaofIllusion (Asking questions. Scum-hunting. Logical, which is all good. Except when he comes to these conclusions that do not seem to follow. And following rolf because he has a Town read on him is completely barf. yeah, yeah, he came up with his own reasons too! which were pretty trivial. Player I am most paranoid about.)
Firebringer (not doing anything especially Townish, but doing it defiantly? Hard to quantify, but not acting like I feel a scum would be acting)
roflcopter (my best friend)
Kison (one of the most under-the-radar for me atm. I remember very little about what he's done this game.)

The most worrisome:

Ginngie

petroleumjelly

(PJ wasn't great this game. Then he quit. I have barely read anything Ginngie has posted. What I remember did not blow me away me with it's Townieness.)
Kmd4390 (I think I already talked about him. It feels like he's been somewhat better more recently?)
Lycanfire

Tywin Lannister

(Lycanfire is another player I have barely read since he came in. Tywin wasn't great though).
Pine (my second best friend. How's the Pinecone?)

When/if I get the time/energy. I'll do some more comprehensive reads. But those are always more useful after some flips have happened. I feel I'm generally fumbling around in the dark until then.

Also, these are super hedgy reads.

Fast forward: You spend the rest of D1 trying to either defend your vote on Pine or defend your non-voting by saying that you don't want to just jump on another bandwagon. You keep saying you need to reread my slot but you never do. You have something against ISOs apparently. Then, immediately after the KMD wagon forms and the VC above is posted, this:

KMD is probably in the same space for me that Tywin/Lycan is, which isn't great. I could say, sure, better one of them than me, and that's probably objectively true - baring one of them having a particular power role - but I can't get excited about it.

I'm recommencing this re-read. But I have company coming over at 12 and then all bets are off.

If you're town, absolutely anyone is better than you. It seems pretty clear here that you were trying to avoid having to take a stance.

I was starting to regret replacing into this game but I feel pretty good about this. VOTE: Axelrod

I mean, it's all hedgy reads. Even now I don't have anything but hedgy reads, though possibly at this point that's more to do with being very checked out.

And the thing you may be missing about the context is that - prior to the KMD flashwagon which happened literally one day before the deadline - I was the one for whom there was probably the most momentum. Now, call this self-serving if you will, but I don't think the play for a scum in that position is to be all hedgy and non-committal. I had a very easy excuse to jump on KMD, or Lycan for that matter, but even at the end I was hedging, because I wasn't sure. You can try to argue that I was trying to avoid "committing" myself so as to somehow...gain credibility? But I would point out that being dead isn't a viable scum-plan, and the flashwagon could not have been predicted.

Now, would I have hammered either of them in self-defense? I mean, probably. But I didn't have enough confidence to take a stand. Which is, yes, a problem. It a function of really not wanting to be wrong. Also, again, in my own defense, it seems like Mafia games are getting a bit testier these days than maybe they were in days gone by, with more people taking stuff personally and hard feelings. That's definitely been in evidence this game. So, believe it or not, me hedging is also me being polite in a way. I'm not saying you're scum. I'm saying I think such-and-such you are doing is scummy, for whatever reasons.

[Axelrod]

I'm off now. Like I said, I could have time tomorrow, though I'm not even sure what that might accomplish. Maybe something.

[Momrangal]

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VOTE: Axle

[roflcopter]

if axel flips scum and i die don't let pine skate free

[Pine]

Dude, rofl, fuck off. Not only am I not scum, your connection theory is bullshit. I spent most of D1 pushing for an Axel lynch.

[roflcopter]

i love drawing overreactions

[Eddie Cane]

just got off work you're morons

[Eddie Cane]

axel reads? I'll /in with you on mtgs sometime proph told me to play there anyways

[Korts]

Final Vote Count

(7) Axelrod - MagnaofIllusion, OnTheMark, roflcopter, LuckyOtter, Kison, Ginngie, Momrangal
(1) Pine - Eddie Cane
(1) Lycanfire - Old Man
(1) Kison - Pine

not voting:

RayFrost, Axelrod

7 to lynch

Deadline is 6 PM EST on Friday the 29th of June.

[Korts]

Axelrod has been lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 2. Deadline for Night Actions is 6 PM EST the 1st of July.

[Korts]

It is now Day 3.

MagnaofIllusion has been killed. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Vote Count

(0) everyone -

not voting:

everyone

6 to lynch

Deadline is 6 PM EST on Wednesday the 25th of July.

[Pine]

Okay, I think this is the day we stop being idiots.

Need a report from whichever of OM and Lycan is the even night (too lazy to look it up)

Barring a guilty, it's Kison or bust, I think

[Ginngie]

Lycan is the one today

[roflcopter]

kison spent a lot of time propping me up on my incorrect reads, especially relative to how little else he's done. i was thinking during the night that moi had been doing the same so thanks to the killers for saving me from another misadventure.

cop report first though

[LuckyOtter]

Hi folks, I'll be off and on today.

I investigated Pine and he is Town. I have to keep catching up on my read-through and then I'll give y'all my thoughts on the game.

[Pine]

Lycan is the one today

Ginny ffs trust me here. Lycan/Lucky Otter is Town.

[Kison]

No, actually, he's not.

VOTE: LuckyOtter

I am a Tracker. Every night, not odd/even. I tracked LuckyOtter last night and he visited MoI.

I tracked Insanity Night 1. Didn't go anywhere.

[Pine]

Okay.

VOTE: LuckyOtter

I'm not so arrogant as to think I'm flawless, and I'll take a guilty over a low-info innocent. My mistake, Kison.

[OnTheMark]

Intent to L-1 (instead of intent to hammer as if Lucky is scum self hammering is a thing)

But I wanna catch up because LuckyOtter+Pine is probably a thing or Kison is scum counter claiming.

Or it could be that Pine is actually town and we got a gift and I want time to sort it.

[OnTheMark]

And I won’t be able to til after work.

[Ginngie]

lol just L-1 him

[Ginngie]

Wait