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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:37 am

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Too lazy to find games now, but have you heard of the stereotype of the poisoned punch bowl?
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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:41 am

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armlx wrote:Too lazy to find games now, but have you heard of the stereotype of the poisoned punch bowl?
No. I'd still like you to find me games. Hell, even 1 game would do for now. :P

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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:46 am

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Quite frankly, I'm going back and having trouble finding a single game with a cult, let alone one with a cult kill. I know it has been discussed before several times.
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:57 am

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armlx wrote:Quite frankly, I'm going back and having trouble finding a single game with a cult, let alone one with a cult kill. I know it has been discussed before several times.
You tried Cultafia?

The only completed game i can think of is my own Doctor Who Mafia. The cult victims were 'deleted' according to the flavour.

Keep searching please.

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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:07 am

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This game has random mafia kill methods, including poison. So poison killing isn't necessarily a cult thing. However, given that we still have three kills after lynching the serial killer, something's definitely up. The cult recruit having a kill would explain pretty much everything.

On another note, I was debating with myself whether to go back to Peers, or follow through with my suspicions on killa seven or TheSweatpantsNinja. Given that killa seven does seem to be naturally scummy, I'll leave him alone for now. And since I fear a chain of OMGUS if I vote TheSweatpantsNinja now, I'll
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. He slipped away when Rosso's lynching came up. For your convenience, my initial points against him:
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Matt_S wrote:I'm looking at Peers for tomorrow. His last two posts are perfect to explain my suspicions.
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Vote: killa


Yeah, I'll join the wagon. Let's see if we can get a worth-while claim out of this.
He was questioned a lot on what would be a worthwhile claim, yet he never answered. And it sounds like he's only wagoning in order to get a claim.
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armlx wrote:We still have a week to talk people, no need to lynch right now.
Translation: "Hey, maybe if you guys ignore my scumbuddy you'll convince people to lynch a hapless town role instead", right?
Translation: "I can't let this guy hunt more scum or I'll be dead tomorrow!"
Yeah, I've convinced myself.
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:26 am

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Matt_S wrote:This game has random mafia kill methods, including poison. So poison killing isn't necessarily a cult thing. However, given that we still have three kills after lynching the serial killer, something's definitely up. The cult recruit having a kill would explain pretty much everything.

On another note, I was debating with myself whether to go back to Peers, or follow through with my suspicions on killa seven or TheSweatpantsNinja. Given that killa seven does seem to be naturally scummy, I'll leave him alone for now. And since I fear a chain of OMGUS if I vote TheSweatpantsNinja now, I'll
Vote Peers
. He slipped away when Rosso's lynching came up. For your convenience, my initial points against him:
Matt_S wrote:
Matt_S wrote:I'm looking at Peers for tomorrow. His last two posts are perfect to explain my suspicions.
Peers wrote:
Vote: killa


Yeah, I'll join the wagon. Let's see if we can get a worth-while claim out of this.
He was questioned a lot on what would be a worthwhile claim, yet he never answered. And it sounds like he's only wagoning in order to get a claim.
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armlx wrote:We still have a week to talk people, no need to lynch right now.
Translation: "Hey, maybe if you guys ignore my scumbuddy you'll convince people to lynch a hapless town role instead", right?
Translation: "I can't let this guy hunt more scum or I'll be dead tomorrow!"
Yeah, I've convinced myself.
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Chain of OMGUS? I dont understand. :?

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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:29 am

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Battle Mage wrote:Chain of OMGUS? I dont understand.
I vote TheSweatpantsNinja, he votes me. Killa seven also votes me to be consistent with his stance yesterday. Then I vote killa seven. People start getting mad at me, I vote them, etc.
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:36 am

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Matt_S wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Chain of OMGUS? I dont understand.
I vote TheSweatpantsNinja, he votes me. Killa seven also votes me to be consistent with his stance yesterday. Then I vote killa seven. People start getting mad at me, I vote them, etc.
you sound guilty, i never voted you or fo'd you, i only called you out on one thing. you look very scummy at the moment. i dont remember you voting for me yesterday, dont confuse killa sven 1 with killa seven 2 thank you.
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:45 am

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killa seven wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Chain of OMGUS? I dont understand.
I vote TheSweatpantsNinja, he votes me. Killa seven also votes me to be consistent with his stance yesterday. Then I vote killa seven. People start getting mad at me, I vote them, etc.
you sound guilty, i never voted you or fo'd you, i only called you out on one thing. you look very scummy at the moment. i dont remember you voting for me yesterday, dont confuse killa sven 1 with killa seven 2 thank you.
Actually i dont see why he cant compare K7 1's suspicions with K7 2's...
I mean, if you are the same person, theres no reason why you wouldnt hold similar views if you were the same affiliation.

Mind you, fear of confrontation is kinda scummy Matt...

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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:55 am

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killa seven wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Chain of OMGUS? I dont understand.
I vote TheSweatpantsNinja, he votes me. Killa seven also votes me to be consistent with his stance yesterday. Then I vote killa seven. People start getting mad at me, I vote them, etc.
you sound guilty, i never voted you or fo'd you, i only called you out on one thing. you look very scummy at the moment. i dont remember you voting for me yesterday, dont confuse killa sven 1 with killa seven 2 thank you.
I'm telling a story of what will happen, not of what already did happen. I'm free to add any creativity I want to prophecies.
Battle Mage wrote:Mind you, fear of confrontation is kinda scummy Matt...
Then vote for me. Just because I don't think voting for TheSweatpantsNinja now will lead to anything constructive doesn't mean I'm afraid of confrontation. OMGUS voting is hardly real confrontation anyways. It's just a distraction.
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:22 am

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upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:10 pm

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dahill1 wrote:upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.
Indeed, and I am EXTREMELY leery of the Miller/Hider claim, that's the kind of claim that's just tooooo scummalicious.

The Miller/Hider claim explains two of the problems that scum might encounter in a game. The first problem is that they may be investigated and found guilty. Conveniently, BM declared himself a miller. The second problem is that the scum must explain his continued survival night after night. This is especially important if we have living vig, and the miller doesn't get nigthkilled and continues to live. So "hider" and "miller" makes a perfect combo for a scum claim.

Also, I see BM is very active and scheming. That's his scum persona, not his town persona.

The Miller/Hider claim is the real clincher. I don't believe it. I believe that BM is just plain scum.

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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:12 pm

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Oh, ans something else I'm just thinking of, a Hider claim is also useful for a scum because it might keep the vig at bay.
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:12 pm

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Toaster Strudel wrote:
dahill1 wrote:upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.
Indeed, and I am EXTREMELY leery of the Miller/Hider claim, that's the kind of claim that's just tooooo scummalicious.

The Miller/Hider claim explains two of the problems that scum might encounter in a game. The first problem is that they may be investigated and found guilty. Conveniently, BM declared himself a miller. The second problem is that the scum must explain his continued survival night after night. This is especially important if we have living vig, and the miller doesn't get nigthkilled and continues to live. So "hider" and "miller" makes a perfect combo for a scum claim.

Also, I see BM is very active and scheming. That's his scum persona, not his town persona.

The Miller/Hider claim is the real clincher. I don't believe it. I believe that BM is just plain scum.

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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:15 pm

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Toaster Strudel wrote:
dahill1 wrote:upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.
Indeed, and I am EXTREMELY leery of the Miller/Hider claim, that's the kind of claim that's just tooooo scummalicious.

The Miller/Hider claim explains two of the problems that scum might encounter in a game. The first problem is that they may be investigated and found guilty. Conveniently, BM declared himself a miller. The second problem is that the scum must explain his continued survival night after night. This is especially important if we have living vig, and the miller doesn't get nigthkilled and continues to live. So "hider" and "miller" makes a perfect combo for a scum claim.

Also, I see BM is very active and scheming. That's his scum persona, not his town persona.

The Miller/Hider claim is the real clincher. I don't believe it. I believe that BM is just plain scum.

vote: Battle Mage
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:18 pm

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Dear dahill1,
Matt_S wrote:Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:19 pm

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Matt_S wrote:Dear dahill1,
Matt_S wrote:Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
oops
unvote

that does make a huge hole in my argument
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:20 pm

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On the poisoning: I was in a game where the Mafia had a poisoner, but it was delayed. So, saying that the cult recruit was a poisoner, they may have been recruited night 0, notified of recruitment and poisoned someone night 1, and their first victim died and they poisoned another last night.

Also, BM is looking very scummy today.

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tonight's the night the vig should get 'em, if we don't lynch him first.
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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:38 pm

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dahill1 wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Dear dahill1,
Matt_S wrote:Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
oops
unvote

that does make a huge hole in my argument
EBWOP: the part about the khelvaster/BM connection
he still could be cult
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:24 pm

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Matt_S wrote:Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
Duh, BM is scum?
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:25 pm

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Matt_S wrote: Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
Cult also = scum.

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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:26 pm

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VanDamien wrote:Cult also = scum
revote BM

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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:27 pm

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Matt_S wrote:Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.
Duh, BM is scum?

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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:35 pm

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For clarity's sake.

Normally, one would expect a cult cop to get a "guilty" on cults, and "not guilty" on non-cults.

However, Rosso seems to have gotten a "guilty" on a miller - but I too would expect that a miller would be innocent to a cult cop. However, BM was guilty to Rosso. This must mean that BM was culted. A culted miller/hider? That cannot be suffered to live.
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:11 pm

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need to reread the end of the day yesterday..I thought Ani's contentless post/vote on RC looked suspicious...

BM, did you ever indicate that you felt Ani was scummy yesterday?....anyway, going to read...more later.
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