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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:09 am

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In post 999, Shoshin wrote:UNVOTE: Gustavo

I'd like input from others.
Idk I think there might be something there but I wasn't paying to much attention cos you guys were having like 3 different conversations and I only really paid attention to one while going through it
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:10 am

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like half of your case was based on meta and whether or not she gives reasons for votes
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:11 am

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also, again, can you show me where you think she was lying?
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 1100, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 999, Shoshin wrote:UNVOTE: Gustavo

I'd like input from others.
Idk I think there might be something there but I wasn't paying to much attention cos you guys were having like 3 different conversations and I only really paid attention to one while going through it
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I wasn’t responding to you. My response was to whoever he was talking to, but thanks. How can I earn more scum points? I want the most
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 1012, Gustavo wrote:
In post 828, stungun0404 wrote:DEAR WHOEVER REPLACES ME: ONE MISSION; LOOK INTO WHO DIDN’T RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
Sorry predecessor. I’m having trouble deciphering your posts. I see where you ask questions and then seem to answer them yourself which basically makes them useless. I’m not sure going backwards at this point will be useful. I also didn’t see anything super important in them. I’ll try again when I get to a computer.
Not really? I mean I had the opinion he did with the question he asked me, but that doesn't mean I could just copy him, I'm fairly certain he could be able to tell.
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:14 am

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Skitter, I didn't lie about anything. Gus thinks I lied because I said I voted without providing any reasoning in Tropical and he's in denial about the reality that I did in fact vote without reasoning in Tropical. I think Irrelephant cleared this up earlier.
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:16 am

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In post 1103, Gustavo wrote:
In post 1100, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 999, Shoshin wrote:UNVOTE: Gustavo

I'd like input from others.
Idk I think there might be something there but I wasn't paying to much attention cos you guys were having like 3 different conversations and I only really paid attention to one while going through it
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I wasn’t responding to you. My response was to whoever he was talking to, but thanks. How can I earn more scum points? I want the most
okay in that case the scumpoints are retracted because I thought you were responding to a closed thought which felt kinda sketchy, because as scum I myself have had the habit of responding to irrelevant things (I do it as town too but I feel like it's more prominent from scum!me)
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:16 am

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In post 1101, skitter30 wrote:like half of your case was based on meta and whether or not she gives reasons for votes
No my case has absolutely nothing to do with meta. The point of the meta dive was to prove she lied. The lying, not cooperating, refusing to provide a reason for her vote, and misrepping other players while accusing me of it are basically why I’m scum reading.

If town can you please try better at reading comprehension? It makes the game so much easier if you actually know what you’re talking about before speaking.

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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:18 am

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In post 1105, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, I didn't lie about anything. Gus thinks I lied because I said I voted without providing any reasoning in Tropical and he's in denial about the reality that I did in fact vote without reasoning in Tropical. I think Irrelephant cleared this up earlier.
ok thank you because i still wasn't sure what the lie was

i really don't think this is significant or like ai at all
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:20 am

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In post 1024, Gustavo wrote:I’m not going to argue this game. I’m done with you. You aren’t willing to cooperate clearly. It’s going to just piss me off and I need to stay chill because the mod I’m sure didn’t even want me to play.
Honestly I think you might be irrational here, at least wrt how you're criticizing Shoshin for lying about not explaining reads when she's provided fairly solid proof and others have backed it up afaict
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:21 am

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In post 1034, Irrelephant11 wrote:hmmm browsing gustavo's meta gets me back toward a townread, though

I just think he's wrong
Honestly same
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:22 am

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In post 1108, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1105, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, I didn't lie about anything. Gus thinks I lied because I said I voted without providing any reasoning in Tropical and he's in denial about the reality that I did in fact vote without reasoning in Tropical. I think Irrelephant cleared this up earlier.
ok thank you because i still wasn't sure what the lie was

i really don't think this is significant or like ai at all
Yeah, pretty much. Even if I had lied (which I didn't), it's not even scummy. Like, what's he think I'm trying to hide? But he's got one of those black-and-white mindsets that assumes any lie is scummy without any further analysis, so I don't think there's much point arguing with him about it.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:26 am

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In post 1102, skitter30 wrote:also, again, can you show me where you think she was lying?
I honestly don’t believe you didn’t see the post.
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:27 am

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In post 1050, Gustavo wrote:
In post 1049, Irrelephant11 wrote:A lot of shoshin's reason-less votes have been toward the end of creating wagons imo
That's what's pro-town about her play and her voting
Idk what this means. End of creating wagons?
I don't see that anyone responded to this so what was meant was that shoshin's goal was creating wagons
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:28 am

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In post 1108, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1105, Shoshin wrote:Skitter, I didn't lie about anything. Gus thinks I lied because I said I voted without providing any reasoning in Tropical and he's in denial about the reality that I did in fact vote without reasoning in Tropical. I think Irrelephant cleared this up earlier.
ok thank you because i still wasn't sure what the lie was

i really don't think this is significant or like ai at all
He did lie. Quite blatantly and because he tried to use that lie against me, it makes it AI
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 1054, Momrangal wrote:I do agree that 388 is a solid post. But I feel like a large majority of them are kinda just sitting in the middle and when he does take a stance he does this weird "eh what do I know thing" like in post 375 . He also did it in 323 when pushing Dino, making it feel like he's subliminally excusing himself from taking responsibility from anything that happened. Making it easier to brush it off as oversight or some othet thing. Something I see scum do constantly, something I'm always noting (like I did in implos large game as well in a few games in my old account).

It's subtle tell that people have thought me crazy to point out but has outstanding accuracy.
I think that's a good point about the "eh what do I know" pattern. I agree that it's a strong tell (as much as I try not to, I always end up doing it as scum myself) but townies do it too and you have to read it in light of everything else. He's got strong hints of town plus a couple questionable patterns so not really who I want to lynch today unless everyone else suddenly becomes more town than him.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 1074, Gustavo wrote:
In post 884, Gamma Emerald wrote:I haven't voted once
And that is a huge red flag.

With regards to gamma one could argue he’s avoiding this game. Last post here on Tuesday. Posted on site yesterday. Logged on today.
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:31 am

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Gus, I'm not a he.
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:32 am

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In post 1079, Nauci wrote:Okay so

I don't know how I feel about Gus but he did ruffle enough feathers that I now have better reads on people.

Shoshin goes from null-town to town-lean (now that I realize she was casing me more than defending Irrelephant, I'm feeling really good about her)
Irrelephant11 goes from scummy to null
Momrangal goes from null to scummy

And all of the lurkers are on the naughty list, including math

Skitter the wk is an interesting theory; do you believe the premise for it, that tw is town?

Strangely enough the duckster has somehow earned a null from me for now

There are way too many places I want to vote right now but I'll start with VOTE: momrangal
Couple of questions:
Why are you categorizing Math as a lurker? For the most part he's been active even though he missed his specified day of contribution.
Can you describe how exactly Gustavo helped your reads?
Why pick momrangal out of those you wanted to vote?
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 1089, Mathdino wrote:Holy balls N_M is here
If he posts then there's no fear
I'm really sorry for ghosting y'all
My sitewide posting has slowed to a crawl
I'll stop rhyming when I can sit down and write
Until then I still think a Gamvote is right
Why are you saying to vote me here?
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 962, Shoshin wrote:No shit. What do you think my answer will tell you about my alignment if you know I do this as town?
In post 959, Shoshin wrote:As you know from Tropical, I don't always state my reasons for voting. So why ask this question?
In post 962, Shoshin wrote:No shit. What do you think my answer will tell you about my alignment if you know I do this as town?
Lies by shoshin fwiw
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 1092, skitter30 wrote:gamma, who's scum?
fyi I have a couple of leads but no concrete scumreads yet
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:34 am

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In post 959, Shoshin wrote:As you know from Tropical, I don't always state my reasons for voting. So why ask this question?
Sorry meant this one and not the duplicate
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:35 am

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Gamma, what're your reads?
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:35 am

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In post 1113, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1050, Gustavo wrote:
In post 1049, Irrelephant11 wrote:A lot of shoshin's reason-less votes have been toward the end of creating wagons imo
That's what's pro-town about her play and her voting
Idk what this means. End of creating wagons?
I don't see that anyone responded to this so what was meant was that shoshin's goal was creating wagons
Somebody did respond and I responded back.

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