Newbie 1876 - Game Over!

[brassherald]

For the record if anyone cares, my scum tell us pretty much the same as creature, I get bored as scum and lurk out.

I've been engaged and actually participating for over a week, so, in my eyes, I've shown I'm not scum. I'm not even doing my trick to build up a post count by making constant jokes here.

[IcemanCh]

I think I'm backing off on the 2.7 being scum. I know there's some strong pressure from everyone thinking that he is. I'm up for giving him a chance to live tonight and let scum do what they got to do. Hopefully, someone gets's healed and then we have solid proof he's town. He was clunky in the last game and I'm going to go with him being clunky in this game.


This isn't going to be popular but, I think Bins is right. Blowing off a scum read and not wanting to outright defend against it while also being aggressive about it seems scum to me. It's a way to appeal to emotions to scare someone off when you don't want to put an argument out there that could be contradicted in the future. I don't see Town players getting upset or aggressive over a scum read on them. Town typically explains their logic or explains the behavior causing the scum read. Then they move on. They don't out right ignore/claim it's a waste of their time. I agree with Bins that this is scum trying to look casual.

UNVOTE:

[brassherald]

It's not MY town play which is all that matters in this case. So, again, I'm not changing my play here to appease people and "try to look town".

[IcemanCh]

It's not MY town play which is all that matters in this case. So, again, I'm not changing my play here to appease people and "try to look town".

I mean.... it's not my "Town Play" to come off as scum either.

[brassherald]

I'm saying, I never bother addressing cases against me if I have to ask for them. I'm not here to ask you all to give your thoughts about me I don't have to read me. If Bins had just volunteered her case in the first place, then we wouldn't have an issue, but I'm not some monkey here to dance on command when someone decides not to actually share their case. So, if you want to lynch me, go for it, and be ready to make your excuses the next day.

[IcemanCh]

@bins what is your entire thoughts on Brass and why you think he's scum?

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah I'm actually leaning town on brass after that whole exchange. Bins was purposely trying to aggravate him there. Didn't post anything of substance. It's stalling.

I'm VOTE: 2.7

If Bins is his partner she knows that the more time passes, the more people's reads get less confident. It's forgetfulness plain and simple.

[Skygazer]

I'm going to finally VOTE: 2.7

Will weigh in on these brass/bins interactions in twilight or tomorrow.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.Final

TrinityNZ (0) -
GuerillaWoo (0) -

LYNCH

2 718281828459 (5) - Formerfish, TrinityNZ, nonny, GuerillaWoo, Skygazer
Skygazer (0) -
IcemanCh (1) - brassherald
nonny (0) -
Formerfish (0) -
brassherald (2) - Bins, 2 718281828459
Bins (0) -

Not Voting: IcemanCh

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

As of Post #382,

2 718281828459

has been lynched. They were a

Mafia Goon

It is now Night 1. Deadline is Thursday, June 28th at 9:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2018-06-28 09:00:00)

[Jackal711]

Day 2 dawns... with a reminder that although one of the Mafia was lynched yesterday, another is still out there somewhere.

Formerfish

,

Vanilla Townie

, was shot Night 1.

VOTE COUNT 2.0

TrinityNZ (0) -
GuerillaWoo (0) -
Skygazer (0) -
IcemanCh (0) -
nonny (0) -
brassherald (0) -
Bins (0) -

Not Voting: IcemanCh, TrinityNZ, nonny, GuerillaWoo, Skygazer, brassherald, Bins

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Thursday, July 12th at 10:45 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2018-07-12 10:45:00)

[Skygazer]

After thinking about it I kind of doubt Bins would blatantly defend 2.7 like that as scum, I feel like Bins would be much more likely to bus and not draw attention to herself?

[brassherald]

VOTE: Iceman

[GuerillaWoo]

Sad to see you go Fish. Love to watch you leave

I can't even express to you guys how many fist pumps there were after that flip. Vindication feels so damn good. Good on Skygazer for cutting through the hand wringing (mine included).

Aight so, Bins, I want you to tell me why you're not 2.7’s partner and why we shouldn't hard tunnel you.

I'd also like to know who here knows for a fact it's someone other than bins, but hopefully you can save it until L-1.

VOTE: Bins

[brassherald]

I have a hard time buying that, with daychat and one of them being an IC, both scum would be the only people on a mislynch wagon.

That's just bad play.

[GuerillaWoo]

I think the argument that it's a bad play or very blatant is not an argument that it couldn't have come from scum.

[brassherald]

This also may be worth noting, if we have a cop or a tracker with a guilty claiming early would be best.

Otherwise, all PRs stay silent, please.

[GuerillaWoo]

Exception: If you're a jailkeeper and if Bins gets to L-1, and you had roleblocked her last night, let us know before we hammer. Let's let things play out without claims right now though.

[brassherald]

Exception: If you're a jailkeeper and if Bins gets to L-1, and you had roleblocked her last night, let us know before we hammer. Let's let things play out without claims right now though.

Well, any PR can clear a person if they have an innocent and get to L-1.

So, Jailkeeper, tracker, cop or neopolitan could all do this.

[Skygazer]

I think I'm backing off on the 2.7 being scum. I know there's some strong pressure from everyone thinking that he is. I'm up for giving him a chance to live tonight and let scum do what they got to do. Hopefully, someone gets's healed and then we have solid proof he's town. He was clunky in the last game and I'm going to go with him being clunky in this game.


This isn't going to be popular but, I think Bins is right. Blowing off a scum read and not wanting to outright defend against it while also being aggressive about it seems scum to me. It's a way to appeal to emotions to scare someone off when you don't want to put an argument out there that could be contradicted in the future. I don't see Town players getting upset or aggressive over a scum read on them. Town typically explains their logic or explains the behavior causing the scum read. Then they move on. They don't out right ignore/claim it's a waste of their time. I agree with Bins that this is scum trying to look casual.

UNVOTE:

I don't like this post. Jumping off the 2.7 wagon reads as trying to stall the game and the way he says "Hopefully, someone gets healed and then we have solid proof he's town" looks like he's trying to set up some wifom for his partner. The reasoning behind the unvote is lackluster, especially considering he stated in 338 that he still sees E as the scummiest. I also don't like that he scumread brass but doesn't even back it up with a vote considering there were like 5 days left in the game at that point. Seems like more stalling. Like his 2.7 read, it's also a departure from his reads earlier in the game.

VOTE: Iceman

[GuerillaWoo]

Ok so here's the thing: I jumped off the wagon briefly. Fish jumped off the wagon briefly.

I need to read everyone's ISOs closely, but so far I've read yours, Brass', nonny's, Iceman's, and Bins'. I truly don't see any way that it isn't Bins here. She was irrationally defending 2.7 before the roleclaim. She's the only one that had a delayed reaction to his claim, and it was a calm defense. Iceman, fish, brass etc all had various reactions to the claim, and they all scumread him before the claim.

Trinity is who I'm unsure about. I mildly suspect her just because I don't think a scum IC would allow their partner to self-immolate so spectacularly, but I promised myself not to let people's experience dictate any of my reads. Solidly on Bins right now.

[Skygazer]

The times you jumped off the wagon seemed like genuine cold feet/caution, Fish's jump off the wagon was before he had fully read the claim, but Ice's jump off of the wagon just wasn't entirely convincing since he had shown no signs of cold feet prior.

I would definitely like to hear more from Bins, I just don't see her playing like she is as scum at the moment.

[GuerillaWoo]

Yeah I think we should all try to avoid getting into our own discussions and arguments until Bins & Ice are here. I don't have anything against the Iceman read except his behavior prior to backing off. It's a legitimate suspicion.

[IcemanCh]

I jumped off of the wagon because I've played with 2.7 in the last game and he was all over the place. It started to seem to me like he might just be a super newb blundering around. I decided it was worth giving a claimed doc a chance to prove themselves. I was wrong. I also started to agree with Bins logic that Brass was our scum. I had jumped off of 2.7 so that I could go over Brass more closely and possibly start working a wagon on brass.

I don't know why but, I kind of get the feeling like I was set up. I know scum wouldn't have known that I was going to jump off but boy did that hammer come quickly after I got off. I'm convinced scum was on the wagon and I'm also super suspicious of SkyGrazer. I think Sky is the scum and they bussed 2.7 right at a time when they might be able to line up a mislynch day two.

[IcemanCh]

If you look at the context around my unvote you'll see that I was following what Bins was saying about Brass and was pushing on Brass. I had intentions to keep pushing and then vote for Brass.

[Bins]

Hi, lol. I was very wrong.

Also I agree that brass' reaction to me was likely town after a reread. I just don't like the reaction in general.

Basically what Skygazer said is gonna be my defence.

ICE post in context is interesting.

Also thinking Trinity might look slightly suss, if I can explain that.