Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

A lot more engagement how? If I need to be more engaged, what the fuck do you want from me? If others need to be more engaged with me that's placing the burden of removing the scumread on other people which isn't fair to me because regardless of what I do if no one else does what you want "oh no one is engaging with him, SCUM!!!!"

Doing quick activity checks to determine if anyone could be scum due to the stall
Mathdino hasn't posted since posting here
Not_Mafia has DEFINITELY been active elsewhere, thinking this might actually be mafia
the worst has been active elsewhere, plus despite being bored at one point has not tried to engage since then, probably scum
Shoshin has been very active in one other game, this might be passable but still sketchy
VOTE: the worst
Still definitely want to keep talking with Gustavo but he's actually provided signs that he's not bsing so I don't like the vote as much, and given the compilation of things against the worst I think he's the best vote rn

VOTE: Gamma

scum with 1+ of the other people he's shaded in 1294.

[the worst]

also L-1

[Keyser Söze]

Please no quick hammers ladies and gents.

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

L-2 for ^ this while I catch up proper

[the worst]

also Gamma has watched scum!me and knows lurking is not scum indicative for me.

I've had a serious week sorting out some career stuff irl. also slightly overgamed. I've been slacking in games I'm less invested in (not elaborating obviously).

the dude literally knows I do not actively make the decision to lurk as scum, so I do not know why he's pushing that angle. >.>

[the worst]

1218 WIFOMy as fuck but I actually kinda agree that Gamma's scumflip spews Gustavo as town.

Keyser's take on Irrelephant/self TvT read my mind. actually being itt both of them feel legit.

1231 doesn't feel like town reacting to a case scum is making on them. @Gamma do you feel grossly misrepped by town!Key or actually think scum!Key is pushing you? it feels like you're not really willing to commit to either take?

nauci is probably town too

super interested in why you think this, the nullness of my read on Nauci is like. nibbling at the back of my skull.

i kinda want a mom wagon to be a thing

my gut's screaming that gamma is a mislynch. it doesn't really feel like a wagon on scum to me

what part of the wagon composition is bugging you? note for myself to reconsider this.

[the worst]

I'll give you credit for saying it first
But yeah I'm not a big fan of the worst
In other news, I caught a towntell on Nauci
I'm sadly still scumreading her but I won't be as bossy

The worst or Gamma Emerald, those are my two picks
Gimme better wagons, it's how I get my kicks

VOTE: GEmerald

good take and literally consistent with how town!Dino treats my slot
I'm taking my usual approach here and just treating Math as maybe?town because he'll probably be sorted by night actions.
at the same time I'm not really seeing scum!Dino tactics here. he's been low site activity recently but scum!Dino consistently plays with a greater agenda. like if Math is scum here I don't see what he's doing.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I have to go to bed but this wagon is pretty overdue by now

Bernie I've spoken about to death, still a townread.

VOTE: Gamma

Shoshin lower on read list but also swinging back to townleaning. her interactions with wagons and reactions to pressure have been reasonably consistent with town!Shoshin. I don't think she's even close to outside of her scumrange but I really doubt I'd be able to nail scum!Shosh without more information than we have rn.

VOTE: Gamma

Not_Mafia.

VOTE: gamma

The fact he’s not voted all game and his first vote is on me and his reason basically implies he knows I’m town is a red flag for me

I can’t be scum who doesn’t give a shit if I’m wrong. I’m fairly obviously town. He’s not scum hunting imo.

hard read: Gamma and Gustavo are not the same alignment.
I'll be fairly surprised if I'm wrong here but Gamma has not treated the Gustavo slot well at all. Gustavo is consistently prickly as either alignment IME so I doubt I'm going to get a solid read on him--stun on the other hand I'd be seriously fucking impressed with his late posting if he was scum.

bluntly if we're looking at scum in {stungun/Gustavo, Gamma}...lol




just from cursory wagon review I'm reading it as
{Bernie, Gustavo}
{Math}
{Shosh}
{NM}
{}
{}

I don't have a strong read on NM yet and in a sec will check if Math does. but this actually feels like a really well composed wagon.

[the worst]

Holy balls N_M is here
If he posts then there's no fear
I'm really sorry for ghosting y'all
My sitewide posting has slowed to a crawl
I'll stop rhyming when I can sit down and write
Until then I still think a Gamvote is right

........same

[the worst]

update:
I am happy with my nullread on Not_Mafia

[the worst]

Shoshin lower on read list but also swinging back to townleaning. her interactions with wagons and reactions to pressure have been reasonably consistent with town!Shoshin. I don't think she's even close to outside of her scumrange but I really doubt I'd be able to nail scum!Shosh without more information than we have rn.

just to elaborate on this.
there is just not enough available to have a good feel for Shosh's scumrange which is why I'm approaching her with extreme caution. her only scumgame onsite was super weak (no offence Shosh).

[Shoshin]

I don't like being scum.

[Shoshin]

I know you don't have enough meta to read me but I never play scum even close to the way I'm playing here.

[the worst]

I have a very similar scumtell (every post I make has a screaming subtext of "GET ME OUT OF HEEREE")

just for good measure, do you have offsite scumgames you're able to link at all?

[Shoshin]

I could link games but I'd rather not.

[the worst]

alright I can work with my current read for now I think.

[Irrelephant11]

K I was mostly voting Bernie to have a chance to sort him before voting a scumread but if he’s V/LA that’s pointless

UNVOTE: Bernie Sanders

Gonna look at a couple things before placing a real vote

[Errantparabola]

I figured since you're the freshest person here I should ask you what you thought might have been missed

I'm always the freshest person here. So no rush.

No longer townreading worst.

[Shoshin]

EP, why'd you agree with 276?

[Shoshin]

And why was Nauci town at that point?

[Shoshin]

549 is a pretty bad post from Momrangal.

Why?

[Errantparabola]

EP, why'd you agree with 276?

I don't know about Key specifically but I agree that it's not a thing that town fakes often.
In general I think stuff like Ate and self meta and sentences like that and things that people tend to hold as null or scummy actually come from town more often

And why was Nauci town at that point?

I dont remember, sorry -_-

549 is a pretty bad post from Momrangal.

Why?

It felt like a padded read.
And also a bad read.

[Shoshin]

It felt like a padded read.
And also a bad read.

What do you mean by "padded"? Why bad?

[Errantparabola]

It felt like a padded read.
And also a bad read.

What do you mean by "padded"? Why bad?

I got a sense that reasons were maybe produced after the read was made to justify it when keyser asked about it
Given the circumstances I'd say it's a plausible bus but that's crazy speculatory (although you heard it here first if i'm right !!)
It's bad because safe play and associatives arent good reasons to read someone and it's a very generalized read, meaning I tend to look at reads as more fake when they're blanket statements

[Shoshin]

Why aren't you townreading the worst anymore, EP?

[the worst]

ftr I really need to talk to Skitter rn