Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2875 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:25 am

In post 2856, Vecna wrote:
In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2847, Vecna wrote:gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?
Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?
so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

Vecna · Post Post #2876 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:15 am

Explain how its shady

MathBlade · Post Post #2877 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:16 am

In post 2875, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2856, Vecna wrote:
In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2847, Vecna wrote:gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?
Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?
so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?
Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too

MathBlade · Post Post #2878 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:17 am

In post 2876, Vecna wrote:Explain how its shady

Because scum then know who to target and who to mislynch to get control of the hood.

Nosferatu · Post Post #2879 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:26 am

VOTE: theta
this can still work

Vecna · Post Post #2880 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:50 am

In post 2878, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2876, Vecna wrote:Explain how its shady
Because scum then know who to target and who to mislynch to get control of the hood.

1:they already know this if there is scum in the hood. Without scum in the hood they cannot take it over. Ive stated this about 7 times now. they already know 2 of you anyways, and there are about 3 other PR claims that are better targets
2: wasnt asking you to explain

HeWhoSwims · Post Post #2881 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:06 am

In post 2863, zMuffinMan wrote:dont think keychain is scum. iso seems fine. some genuine~ish looking interactions here and there (e.g. thought the comments to and about RC were townish)

What exactly are the differences between Keychain and Theta at this point?

I still lean towards Key lynch due to being on my wagon a bit.

zMuffinMan how would you respond to my critique against Cheeky

Ankamius · Post Post #2882 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:28 am

I don't get the impression scum are worrying this game

projectmatt · Post Post #2883 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:40 am

In post 2689, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2686, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2685, Theta Alpine wrote:p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill
Um if RC really is tracker and got a proper result then why is math town? Not saying he's scum but it seems questionable that you're making that conclusion.
I'm thinking scum with too much knowledge I'm town. You thinking that Gamma?

Where did this read come from?

In post 2723, RadiantCowbells wrote:by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

this is insanely melodramatic but i think it's coming from town.

In post 2744, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2762, RadiantCowbells wrote:
for the sake of the game can scum just bus mathblade and try to play from there?

In post 2754, Theta Alpine wrote:VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot
This sounds like conversation

VOTE: Nicorobin

Let’s do anything other than let RC spam.

this is a

bad

vote.

In post 2763, Creature wrote:I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.

the thing about the mathblade v radiant thing that bothers me the most is the amount of people claiming that rc's claim is likely to not be real. i have little to no experience with RC, but he's made it exceedingly clear that he's claiming his result seriously, and that he wants it to be taken seriously. if he's fakeclaiming, i think it's pathetic, but his claim should be taken seriously and treated seriously. making it a "rc is fakeclaiming so it's ok to ignore both wagons" looks like an easy excuse for scum to not engage.

In post 2813, hebichan wrote: Regardless of my alignment, HWS shouldd be cleared.

why's that? i haven't been able to get an accurate read on HWS yet.

In post 2824, Vecna wrote:i think at this time projectmatt is a pretty damn good target as well

why?

In post 2837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2835, zMuffinMan wrote:i think cheeky was town

why did you feel the need to post this? this just feels slimey.

i'm not a fan of this post.

In post 2877, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2875, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2856, Vecna wrote:
In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2847, Vecna wrote:gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?
Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?
so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?
Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.
It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too

why? x2

i need to re-read keychain and vecna and a few others.

unvote

. i'll most likely end up putting this back on theta but i need to think.

projectmatt · Post Post #2884 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:50 am

In post 2797, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2723, RadiantCowbells wrote:by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.
If he somehow does sure I'll apologize
but if not you have to apologize to the game for making it toxic
deal?

this reads a

lot

like scum posturing to me.

In post 2799, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2767, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2785, Theta Alpine wrote:let me put it this way
the actions that occur the following night will help clarify what is going on with math and radiant

so we should focus off of that for today until we have more information
Let's wait for radiant to be nightkilled then say that he must have been redirected so math is conftown!
I promise: if you get nightkilled by scum I'll be considering what you're saying no matter what you flip.

this also rubs me the wrong way.

In post 2875, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2856, Vecna wrote:
In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2847, Vecna wrote:gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?
Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?
so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?
Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

ehhhh

gamma's iso is full of him casting vague suspicion on people and calling out posts for not being good without actually committing to reads. his scumhunting/questioning of people doesn't feel like it has any internal consistency.

i wasn't a huge fan of aronis's iso either. his only real confident read was a townread on hebichan, and it looked like he was pocketing/coasting off of the confidence of his townread at certain points. like this post:

In post 1841, Aronis wrote:I would like to kill somebody on the vecna wagon not named hebichan today

because of all of this, gamma/aronis leans scum.

projectmatt · Post Post #2885 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:57 am

i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.

projectmatt · Post Post #2886 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:59 am

actually yeah

vote: theta

hebichan · Post Post #2887 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:04 am

To be fair to Gamma, I've misread him several times in the past because of the same things.

He's prone to vague callouts without hard reads.

projectmatt · Post Post #2888 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:15 am

based on what you know of gamma, do you think this is his town-game?

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #2889 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:21 am

VOTE: Theta

projectmatt · Post Post #2890 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:32 am

arc has completely slipped under my radar but they might be scum too.

hebichan · Post Post #2891 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:50 am

I don't remember gamma beign scum in any game with me, but it does remind me of the many town games I've had with him.

NicoRobin · Post Post #2892 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:15 pm

I'm here.

MathBlade · Post Post #2893 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:05 pm

In post 2892, NicoRobin wrote:I'm here.

Are you going to do things?

MathBlade · Post Post #2894 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:16 pm

In post 2883, projectmatt wrote:
In post 2689, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2686, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2685, Theta Alpine wrote:p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill
Um if RC really is tracker and got a proper result then why is math town? Not saying he's scum but it seems questionable that you're making that conclusion.
I'm thinking scum with too much knowledge I'm town. You thinking that Gamma?
Where did this read come from?

<< Because Theta if scum would know that I didn’t do the NK. People who have been in the hood KNOW that the result RC claimed is shit. Especially in the weird world where RC is town which I really don’t buy

In post 2723, RadiantCowbells wrote:by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.
this is insanely melodramatic but i think it's coming from town.

<< I will never townread a slot that fakes a guilty on me either out of genuine belief I am scum or a scum wanting to get rid of a PR and refuses to back down when it’s proven.

In post 2744, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2762, RadiantCowbells wrote:
for the sake of the game can scum just bus mathblade and try to play from there?

In post 2754, Theta Alpine wrote:VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot
This sounds like conversation

VOTE: Nicorobin

Let’s do anything other than let RC spam.
this is a
bad
vote.

<< Agreed. I did it to start conversation and I want Nico to do something.

In post 2763, Creature wrote:I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.
the thing about the mathblade v radiant thing that bothers me the most is the amount of people claiming that rc's claim is likely to not be real. i have little to no experience with RC, but he's made it exceedingly clear that he's claiming his result seriously, and that he wants it to be taken seriously. if he's fakeclaiming, i think it's pathetic, but his claim should be taken seriously and treated seriously. making it a "rc is fakeclaiming so it's ok to ignore both wagons" looks like an easy excuse for scum to not engage.

<< It is mechanically 100% proven wrong. Even if RC is a tracker even if RC is town (which I doubt) it is confirmed 100% that I did not visit Almost50 alone so it can’t be me. So either RC is fakeclaiming again and chose me or he got fucked with. Those are the only two options.

In which case the proper play is to ignore it.

In post 2813, hebichan wrote: Regardless of my alignment, HWS shouldd be cleared.
why's that? i haven't been able to get an accurate read on HWS yet.

<< If HWS is scum then one of RC/Hebichan is confirmed scum.
They can’t have busdriven me and HWS as Hebichan got no PTs and I have had mine since pregame
So for Hebichan and RC to both be town there would have to be two distinct redirection mechanics or RC lied again and deserves policy. The odds of that are almost nil. HWS is almost certainly town regardless of hebi.

In post 2824, Vecna wrote:i think at this time projectmatt is a pretty damn good target as well
why?

<< Because you’re scummy af.

In post 2837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2835, zMuffinMan wrote:i think cheeky was town

why did you feel the need to post this? this just feels slimey.
i'm not a fan of this post.

In post 2877, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2875, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2856, Vecna wrote:
In post 2850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2847, Vecna wrote:gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?
Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?
so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?
Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.
It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too
why? x2
<< Already explained why. The vig would be powerless because scum would have to vote to vig scum.
If there is scum in the hood we need the numbers to force a buddy vig or to find it. I am not convinced there is scum in the hood though

i need to re-read keychain and vecna and a few others.

unvote
. i'll most likely end up putting this back on theta but i need to think.

MathBlade · Post Post #2895 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 2882, Ankamius wrote:I don't get the impression scum are worrying this game

I don’t either. Especially with the RC shitstorm making me hella apathetic.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2896 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:18 pm

In post 2881, HeWhoSwims wrote:What exactly are the differences between Keychain and Theta at this point?

I still lean towards Key lynch due to being on my wagon a bit.

zMuffinMan how would you respond to my critique against Cheeky

keychain has actually done some things that seem town to me, theta hasn't (ill pull up some specific quotes soon for a couple examples maybe)

i don't know what your critique against cheeky is or was. i don't really care either

MathBlade · Post Post #2897 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:18 pm

In post 2885, projectmatt wrote:i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.

Projectmatt is definitely better but I could do Theta.

Like his swap onto Theta feels really survivalistic

I am really sick so consider this my “content” for now.

projectmatt · Post Post #2898 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:39 pm

i'm way too lazy to respond to all of those counterpoints, but you didn't actually explain why you think i'm mafia. you said that my switch to theta was survivalist, but that happened after you already voted me, so there has to be a reason that you didn't say. what is it?

also, i don't agree with you that there's only two options with you vs RC, but i do think that it's a problem that will partially solve itself with night actions and RC's replacement, which is why im not lynching between you two.

projectmatt · Post Post #2899 (ISO) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:40 pm

In post 2897, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2885, projectmatt wrote:i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.
Projectmatt is definitely better but I could do Theta.

Like his swap onto Theta feels really survivalistic

I am really sick so consider this my “content” for now.

actually i really don't like this post because you're calling my vote on theta a

switch

when i was the (correct me if im wrong) first person to start the wagon on theta, and i've made it clear throughout the day that theta is one of my top scumreads.

this is a hugeeee misrepresentation.