Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

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VOTE: performer he's scumclaiming

[Performer]

Garm what's your read on bbt then.

[Garmr]

Actually, let's assume TC's a scum PR. Then it's essentially Tracker or RC, right? If he's a tracker, he cannot know BV's the gaolor, so he should assume doctor (by Occam's razor.) If he's RC, he could learn that BV's the gaolor, but whom he targeted. It could be either the meant-to-be NK, or

the meant-to-be NKer.

& in both cases we still have the question: why would any scum investigative role target BV of all people?

I actually didn't think of the bolded. But to answer why would he pick BV over anyone else. It probably be BV's reaction to invis claim. It seemed like it had a impact on TC. But that made me think he could put me and nker in his lynch range which is why he only said tingles with no reasoning so he could back out.

But saying this I been scum reading him since day 1 and I don't think this is the strongest point I have made. So I don't want this treated as the only reason I scum read him.

[Garmr]

Wow. Just...wow. Where are you even aiming from with the pr assumptions, geo. And we literally have been talking about how jailkeep doesn't mean someone is conftown.

And garm with the awful reason to suggest someone replace out. Shame on you

Meh I don't actually expect you to replace out. Just learn to actually read, because all your going to do is clog up the thread with useless stuff that's already been gone over.

[Performer]

Off topic:

Wow. Just...wow. Where are you even aiming from with the pr assumptions, geo. And we literally have been talking about how jailkeep doesn't mean someone is conftown.

And garm with the awful reason to suggest someone replace out. Shame on you

Meh I don't actually expect you to replace out. Just learn to actually read, because all your going to do is clog up the thread with useless stuff that's already been gone over.

Ok

[Garmr]

Garm what's your read on bbt then.

I'm treating him as a town read. I'm being cautious through because I'm a little paranoid on the slot.


That being said are you just asking for reads for the sake of it?

[Performer]

To help sort.
Bbt pushed on byron slot hard both days. Based on his ISO, I could see him NOT being town here.

[Performer]

He has advocated lynching every one of my townreads as well, at some point of the game.

[Performer]

Why exactly are you townreading him.

[Tchill13]

Garmr if your scum you're doing good. If you're town you're doing as terrible as I am. I like playing with you though at least you're active and five effort.

[Nosferatu]

What? No. They're equally likely. (I have a BA in maths.)

ostensibly yes but no.

if there are 11 people in the game and 3 are scum (its a mini so)

there's a 1/10 chance that you pick the person submitting the kill

but the since scum can't shoot themselves, only 11-3 = 9 people in the game are in the pool to be shot

so there's a 1/8 chance that you prevent a kill

[Nosferatu]

its possible that garmr is scum but its more likely that he's town so he shouldn't be lynched today but defo can't make it to LyLo

[Tchill13]

I'm more certain on garm than geo. As in, I think those are 2 of the team. It's more helpful to work off what we're more certain of. I'm not super certain on geo , which is why I said that talk should be another day.

Teacher I seriously don't see crumbs that he jailed garm. Ircher came out voting garm and saying he's scum, later he backed off so that makes little sense that he jailed garm , due to that sequence of actions I observed.

I will say in my experience when someone plays the way geo has it flips scum 80 percent of the time.

[Nosferatu]

i forget this was N1 with no scum kills, but the math is still the same

What? No. They're equally likely. (I have a BA in maths.)

ostensibly yes but no.

if there are 12 people in the game and 3 are scum (its a mini so)

there's a 1/11 chance that you pick the person submitting the kill

but the since scum can't shoot themselves, only 12-3 = 9 people in the game are in the pool to be shot

so there's a 1/8 chance that you prevent a kill

[Tchill13]

it is statistically more likely that JK prevents a kill rather than protects a kill.

What? No. They're equally likely. (I have a BA in maths.)

@TC: scumreadlist with a bit more detail, please?

@Garmr: How would've TC known BV jailed you at the time he wrote 974? You say that he might be investigative, but I don't see any reason why scum would investigate BV in particular. Also, I think it's pretty well-known that JK's can be used as doctors. You were one of the most townread players at the end of D1. I don't think TC would've thought you were jailed out of suspicion.

BTW, I'm content with putting Garmr in the conftown pile, & assuming he was jailed on N1 (& that TC was jailed on N2.)

You CAN'T conftown garmr because he was jailed n1. It's just as likely that he was supposed to be the guy who killed for scum. Some MIGHT actually thinks that's even MORE likely here.

[Tchill13]

Wave I need more from you. This is an easier game if I have good reason to believe you're town. Quite frankly I do not.

[Tchill13]

THE ONLY REASON BV HAS ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO ME WAS BECAUSE HE TOWN CLAIMED WHEN HE UNVOTED THE LEADING WAGON. IF THAT WAGON DID NOT GO THROUGH BV WOULD BE THE NEXT LYNCH. THAT IS A TOP TIER SCUM PLAY I DID NOT THINK HE WAS CAPABLE OF.

You people will beat a dead horse. That's a justifiable reason to TR someone. Someone specifically fought against my logic in the moment. If scum know BV is town they don't want BV to be town read for credible reasons.

[Tchill13]

Heaven forbid I change my read on garmr to sort the guy. I half-assed half of d2. I did my usual bullshit on d1.

I don't understand how or why I'm a scum PR for a few read change that OBVIOUSLY show that I'm trying to sort players. Am I allowed to sort players?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Tchill

[Tchill13]

SCUM DO NOT GAMBIT ON DAY ONE. THIS IS WHY I KNEW BV WAS TOWN.

[Performer]

@chill regarding geo - ok
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Ugh I Need to re ISO garm then.

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Wave popping up on d3 with a naked vote. Maybe the it's actually him and geo.

[Tchill13]

Is the next day phase lylo If we mislynch?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@Garmr: Yeah, I get it's not the only element of your case, but it's the part that resonated the most with me.

I came to terms with Perf's silly, but I wish he could contain the silly to single posts, & refrain from multi-posting, especially with his current gif avatar.

@TC: Aren't you townreading WM? I'd like to hear more about your read on WM, briefly or in detail, I don't care which. It's important.

[Tchill13]

Because ppl need to start suggesting teams or at least have an idea.

Does anyone feel comfortable with their geo/NM read?

Can anybody lock town anybody? With good credible reason?

What does my lynching do to help the earlier two points?

[Tchill13]

I was TR'ing wave yes. I hate players that back off of activity once getting TR'd. I'd like to see more effort from him in getting town to work in a viable direction.

I can't lean town on wave just to lean town on wave.

Obviously scum has some competent players.

Wave/bbt/garmr all fall under the category of competent players from what I've seen this game. So I'd say at least one was scum.

Geo/NM are definitely capable of coasting as scum in their position rn to a win.

Performer has been surrounded in FOS this whole game.

Nos has been allowed to play a style that make it incredibly hard to get an alignment read from.

GUT feeling.... Idk. That's why I'm worried.