Open 729 - Cul de Sac!

[Scioness Sajj]

sigh

VOTE: almost50

[Almost50]

sigh

VOTE: almost50

NOOOOO! You're supposed to wait for the night phase and kill me like you did NSG.

[Scioness Sajj]

consider me v/la until a50 is out of this game

[Almost50]

No mod notes... Don't make this too easy on me!

Roger!

consider me v/la until a50 is out of this game

@Mod: There you go, boss! Anytime.

[Awoo]

OKay,,, VOTE: mutant I will 100% go back to seal at the drop of a hat though.

[Toranaga]

I'm reading the entire game rn btw

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE: mutant

[Awoo]

hat dropped VOTE: unrealseal

[Myloninja13]

Sorry Mutant, I'm just trying to find my footing in this game lol. I don't know where to go tbh.

[Toranaga]

alright I read the first 8 pages of this and I think that's enough to give me a decent overview of how this game actually looks like and start POE'ing down the scum.

Up to post #200 I have mathdino, mutant, US, bujaber and stefan as early townreads.

mathdino strikes me as overly confident and down to business from the get go, with many posts that feel genuine sounding and legitimately scumhunting. I like how he hard scumreads mutant early. #54 "mutant is currently the best wagon, scum-mutant scumtells early and buries you with walls as the day goes on" line feels very genuine. #96 is also good and I especially like the "everyone who's posted except mutant is town". it's a very bold statement when most of the players have already posted, and I find it unlikely it'd come from a wolf here. so for better or worse, at least in the first 200 posts, I have mathdino/a50 as very strong town.

mutant: in isolation his posts seem bad, but in context I actually quite like his content and think he started pretty towny. #143 feels genuinely bothered with mathdino, which I guess he would be regardless of rand, but he seems to be legitimately thinking through why math scumreads him and coming up with all those reasonable explanations of why he is doing so, which is villagery kind of depth. #150 feels like a natural reaction to being townread by NSG when math scumreads both, #153 is a good follow up and the wave read seems to come from a genuine place. #160 is towny gamesolving with zero fluff, so is the #161 follow up. #185 is good reaction to being voted, #186 is good reaction to being questioned. he feels genuine in his scumhunt throughout. I couldn't catch these things at first glance because I was just ISOing him instead of reading his posts in context.

bujaber's first 3 posts are really towny. I'm strong townreading him on interactions with me anyway, but doesn't hurt to mention: #82 is a good start. I like the push on wave for scumclaiming. #85 is a decent read on mathdino and how I read math this game as well. #180 feels genuine.

I like stefan's attitude. #65 is a villagery stance on mathdino, when he says he is not scumreading mathdino, but is paranoid over him while agreeing mathdino's theories are protown.

UnrealSeal: I understand disliking mathdino's pessimism over 2 vs 11 never being won by town, as I got uneasy feelings about it myself, but then to say he thinks it comes from a town point of view is an apparent contradiction, but he explains better in #196 and I think his stance on math makes a lot of sense. I dislike #107 because there wasn't any RVS silliness so his comments don't fit the gamestate, but overrall he jsut gives me town feelings.

[Toranaga]

in these 200 posts the one player I really disliked was scioness. #40 is awkward. saying "I don't want my neighbours revealed yet, they seem pretty cool" doesn't feel like a legitimate stance on outing the neighborhoods, and more likely pocketing/appeasing to his neighbours when I'm sure there was very little reason to townread either. posts like #81 and #87 are empty and he doesn't seem to be addressing anything in particular. #97 is wolfy. "hi math, game solved?" comes after math says everyone but mutant is a villager posting. he is not interacting with math's reads, doesn't wanna push it, isn't concerned with it, doesn't disagree with it. it feels like he is trying to buddy math here. #102 "this makes me sad" comes after math says NSG is scum, and when asked about why it makes him sad, scioness replies with "because I want to believe". it's very awkward and entirely illogical. it's also more fake interacting with reads, not providing anything of his own and just buddying and rolling with whatever math says. it does not look good. #131 is pretty disingenuous self awareness, as I'm sure he knows he didn't do anything towny yet to be townread. this is kind of a scumclaim IMO. I could go further (I dislike #177, #188 and #192 as well) but this is enough reasoning for me to vote him today.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: scioness sajj

[Scioness Sajj]

great progression you got there

[Toranaga]

great progression you got there

that's my impression as per page 8. I'm still reading the game, had to take a break so I thought I'd postdump what I had. I think you were towny when interacting with and reacting to my posting later on, but I wanna get there first to see how those interactions weigh with what I think was a wolfy start.

my other wolfread as per that page was duck. I think his reasoning for townreading you was illegitimate and even turned out to be wrong meta, and his big reads list feels crafted.

[Toranaga]

#230 from you is pretty good.

[Toranaga]

Arc none of your points match up to my version of reality.

-post 183 is not a scum claim
-I don't think it's accurate that I 'hardly said anything'
-My question about neighborhoods had nothing to do with the previous discussion involving Dino & co. They spoke about whether or not it is helpful to say things in hoods but not in thread. I asked about a specific way of using the hoods. I understood them just fine I was opening a new discussion about a similar but different thing.
-I didn't need justification to vote. I wanted to hear wave's justification for

his

vote. I didn't vote for duck earlier because 1. I'm happy voting either of you or duck and 2. I was scumreading wave until his justification of the duck vote.

And btw I think there is

only

one scum between you and duck

so if you're town he isn't and vice versa. This is not because of any connection between you (though now you told us he's your neighbor maybe we'll see something) but it's a statistical bet based on things I've noticed from scum opening posts. I believe that statistically if you have 25% or more of the players starting the game with some sort of apology for lateness or their inactivity then 1 of them is scum and just piggybacking on the others' excuses.

how can you make an associative read, and then say there's no connection between the players you're making an associative read on? how is it that only one scum player will excuse themselves? why can't it be both?

[Toranaga]

the interaction between scioness and NSG that ends with this post:

Last time you were so confident on your read on me you were scum

feels genuine. I like how scioness progresses from exposing her uneasiness with being scumread (#267), to a fairly relatable reasoning as far as getting death tunneled go (#269), and I like the phrasing "between amused and confused", to actually casting suspicion on NSG. I believe this.

[Toranaga]

and she maintains it genuine to #279. I'm comfortable with scioness again.

[Toranaga]

wingedcatgirl's posting is horrible.

[Toranaga]

Read some ISOs. Got some feels.

that's not really elaboration I was looking for

That seemed likely. It's what I have.

(1)I'm still only half-here, honestly, so right now I'm mainly trying to make sure I don't fall out of the game entirely.

Anyway, with the last few pages in account I'm gonna UNVOTE:

(2)VOTE: ArcAngel9

. I dislike 244 in particular.

1: A prod dodge that she actively admits to

2: a weak ass opportunistic vote with little reasoning.

in a game with no PR's

VOTE: wingedcatgirl

^

very good vote.

[Toranaga]

NSG's early posts bugged me but she seems fine now. I voted her mostly to see what would happen, and the answer seems to have been "not much".

Arc

super

bugs me right now. hence the vote :V

I'm really confused about mutant "liking" my first and at the time only post.

I could form more thoughts but I need to go to sleep. I'll get back to y'all tomorrow.

why are we letting this shit slide?

[Toranaga]

Honestly at this point winged cat kinda just seems to be newer. Not reading skum thereat this point.

But also WC - in this set up interaction is important. So probably step that up a bit

this does not feel like TMI on alignments. I mean, if he is a wolf and winged is a villager he wants this to be pushed, right? and if he is wolfing with her, I'm sure her posting would jump out on him as wolfy and he couldn't possibly townread it. I'm gonna say UD is especially a villager if WCG flips wolf.

[Toranaga]

I mean, we can lynch both. AA9 looks like she's at least trying to provide content, WCG literally just sheeps (she voted NSG after Invis did the same) without providing any real content.

Like, I sheeped you but at least I am trying to play the game.

very pure posting by US and I like the way he is pushing WCG. her posts are jumping out on me as very scummy too, and I'm surprised few people are picking it up (and awoo entered the game by townreading her, which is unexpected).

[Toranaga]

OK sorry about that earlier post here is my real catchup

The police has been tipped that the local Mafia is very active in this neighborhood and has

three

of its kingpins living in the tight-knit communit

this pretty much confirms the moderator is mafia, since we know 2 players are mafia.

Im going to dump my raw catchup here. Industrial quality unrefined notes, not for human consumption. Nothing is clear, ask for clarification, enter at own risk.

Spoiler: notes

page 9

mutantdevle
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19/20 are way too concerned about appearnce
67/73 bad interaction.
jumps on wavemode right afterbujaber 84 ehh fuck it
>first response to getting scum read is "you're scum lynching me im easy mislynch"
227 suspicoius. agree without reason??

Scioness Sajj
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decent votes page1
120 vote on seal? weird but good continuing good feleings

Mathdino
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top town tbh
+ for finding mutant

Myloninja13
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zero content

northsidegal
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first vote on scioness? wtf weird.
i liked post 264 since that was exactly what i was thinking
not terible voting arcangel either

wingedcatgirl
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who?
280 not terrible

Invisibility
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decent thoughts on NSG i can see why one might think that
287 sick callout

BuJaber
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dislike 82 / vote on wavemode. overjustifying his vote it feels like.
good votes though. and i like him overall

Unreal Seal
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i dont think hes mafia but i cant remmeber why.
i think hes getting picked on by bad men

UglyDuck
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194 pings me because it contradicts my reads LOL but seriously:
calls seal scummy for what i deem to be fabricated reasons
calls mutant towny
refuses to put a hard scumread anywhere
250 seemed genuine
283 not terrible either
--- guy reads like hes realaly trying to find the mafias

ArcAngel9
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hmm
wavemode
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bad 174

Conclusions:
Townpool in {scioness, math, invis (?), seal, duck}
not likely mafia {bujab}
content not found { mylo}
kinda ignored them while i was reading {winggirl, wave}
Killpool in {mutant, nsg, angel}
VOTE: arcangel9

you just said you were townreading winggirl. how come you're now implying you've been ignoring them? did you forget you said she was a townread or something like that?

[Toranaga]

scioness is town

math, unrealseal town as well